Heck, yeah, that would be beautiful. This is basically what Yamaha had in its AW4416 records, it had a both a defragmentation function for the hard drive, and another one that “optimized” the scenes, except that it actually removed recorded audio that was not needed any more(alternate takes, false starts, etc. It did exactly what you are referring to. If Yamaha could do this with actual hard audio data 12 years ago, I know darn well that the geniuses at AH can do this same thing with the iLive data in their sleep. Yeah that is a challenge to you brilliant folks [8D]
Ran into problems because it only works as long as you always recall those scenes in exactly the same order which is not always the case during rehearsals…
Maybe before you re-order you use “THE SCENE FATTENER ®” which will add all parameters back into scenes, then re-order and then run the slimming feature again…
how `bout “THE SCENE SLIMMER ®™” (i registered the name aleady).
i build a show with lets say 125 scenes (musical,theater e.t.c.)
i make “a mess” by storing always all parameters into the scenes
once i am done and ready i let “THE SCENE SLIMMER ®™” run,
all he does is comparing one scene to the previous one and kicks out the parameters where he can`t find a “difference”.
I mentioned a similar idea previously. However, rather than a trademarked “scheme” I would prefer the scene editor handle this in the background dynamically and transparently to the user. As scenes are moved a “scene controller” would automatically resolve the deltas between the scenes such that any sequential scenes are handled.
The challenge in this is resolving non-sequencial access to the scenes. An algorithm to trace the differences would be required to manage live changes to the scenes.
So with this “SCENE SLIMMER” there could be a real problem when the performers decide last minute to change the order of their set and don’t tell anyone until they get into their second song. How would one get around this issue?
i do have a frank zappa project -(10 piece band) where i started creating scenes in the way one would do for theater and musical, lets call it “sequencial scene” mode where,like you wrote,one is calling off every song by stepping up(scene recall).
soon i found out it to be (in my opinion) the wrong approach for music so i ended up for approx 30 scenes for “soundtypes” of the band - 9 scenes for soloists (pan into center-a little louder and maybe more reverb)the other scenes are according to what “style” the band is into such as: vocal tune (4 guys singing band rather in the background),mellow jazzy impro (no gates on drums overheads up for brushed drums),then standard rock , bombastic rock (more reverb and so on)and a few more to cover franks amazing range of styles he used,
it works quiet nice (i am the singer in this band)even if our engineer cant make it i give a list of the desired scenes to the substitute engineer and of course he has editor open for a better overview (preselection of the next/upcoming scene).
and yes the scenes are not really slimed exept for main settings, and as i run 30 channels for foh plus 30 channels for our in ear only the first 30 foh channels are in the scenes.
this is just my approach i bet there are better ones maybe we should have a dedicated thread just for scene handling , could be interesting
i am allways in to learn from others…
cheers
dave
allen&heath iLive-144 /idr 64 / idr 48 (i am convinced audionate is not delivering coz i am a frank zappa fan)
So with this “SCENE SLIMMER” there could be a real problem when the performers decide last minute to change the order of their set and don’t tell anyone until they get into their second song. How would one get around this issue?
Essentially an algorithm to walk the intervening scenes and reconcile the deltas from where you started and where you went. If not done well the delays could be excessive.
For me Mumu G&T should be available on all mixes, Mr W senior has not had a beer since about 1983, however had a few beers with Mr A Wakeman last week in Istanbul. Back to the serious side could the whole scene store recall not just be speeded up, more memory or faster processor whatever it takes? Not that I understand how these things work.
i noticed already a improvement on 8.2 (firmware) definetely count me in on a “processor/computer tuning” i asked for one some time ago (my 144 takes a heck of a long time to boot)
i am quicker with editor only (no console wich i do often with my standard rock bands in clubs)
cheers
dave
allen&heath iLive-144 /idr 64 / idr 48 (i am convinced audionate is not delivering coz i am a frank zappa fan)
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