bfc 2000 preset

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has anybody made one?

tips and tricks welcome

cheers

dave

allen&heath iLive-144 /idr 64 / idr 48 (i am convinced there is a yamaha conspiracy against the release of the dante )

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Likewise bcr2000 :wink: , I bought one cheap just in case it ended up being handy for the iLive… it’s been sitting on the shelf for some time now!

iDR32 mixrack

Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)

Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)

Dante card (soon!)

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I just made one for the BCF2000 this weekend. It’s probably more complicated to upload a preset than to make one yourself (using the “Learn” functionality :smiley: (see posts below)

I already contacted Behringer to ask them to consider also allowing Increment mode for Program Change so that I could use the BCF also as a scene controller with increment+GO in one button-click. No hopes for a quick response though :smiley:

I have 8DCA’s that are scene save assigned to the faders for controlling balance between groups of instruments and mics without affecting the scenes and also not affected by the scenes. For day to day balance tweaking. The four encoder groups (4 times 8 rotary encoders) I assigned to the fader level of all 32 input channels of my IDR32, for now. :smiley:

Wouter

My prayers have been heard, Dante is coming!

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hmm i think i wait till 1.8 is out before i wrek my nerves with this behringerjavaforbeginners thang,

i heard in 1.8 more midi is “released”

cheers

dave

allen&heath iLive-144 /idr 64 / idr 48 (i am convinced there is a yamaha conspiracy against the release of the dante )

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quote:
Originally posted by mumu

hmm i think i wait till 1.8 is out before i wrek my nerves with this behringerjavaforbeginners thang

It’s a lot easier than you might think.

Connect iLive MIDI Out to BCF MIDI In, and the other direction as well.

While clicking on “Learn” on the bcf, move the bcf fader or rotary control. Then, on the iLive, move the fader you want to control. BCF says “Good”. Repeat for every fader. Store, Done.

Wouter

My prayers have been heard, Dante is coming!

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Concerning long MIDI cable runs.

I’m testing to connect the BCF to the editor PC via USB. On the other end of the network, I’ll be using an USB MIDI interface, connected via a little Sharkoon USB server that’s sitting next to my iLive. That way I also have my MIDI over Lan.

Wouter

My prayers have been heard, Dante is coming!

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Wouter, very keen to hear how you go with the midi over LAN solution - I’ve done the direct connection to the iDR with the bcr2000 and as mentioned the ‘learn’ functionality works well…the ability to transmit over LAN is really the last bit of the puzzle for this to be quite useful!

iDR32 mixrack

Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)

Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)

Dante card (soon!)

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Originally posted by woutert

Concerning long MIDI cable runs.

I’m testing to connect the BCF to the editor PC via USB. On the other end of the network, I’ll be using an USB MIDI interface, connected via a little Sharkoon USB server that’s sitting next to my iLive. That way I also have my MIDI over Lan.

Wouter

does not IP-midi ipMIDI - MIDI over Ethernet port already give you this functionality without the sharkoon box or am I missing something…?

RayS

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quote:
Originally posted by RayS
Quote:
Originally posted by woutert

does not IP-midi ipMIDI - MIDI over Ethernet port already give you this functionality without the sharkoon box or am I missing something…?

RayS

IPMIDI is to connect to MIDI software synths or other softwares that run on a remote computer via the LAN that connect the two computers. Not what I was looking for. I checked it out before. I just needed a physical MIDI interface remotely via the IP network. I don’t want to have to install a second computer on top of my Mixrack. That USB Server measures 4cmx4cmx2cm :smiley:

Wouter

PS: I also use it to remotely control my DBX260 via USB-RS232 interface.

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quote:
Originally posted by woutert
quote:
Originally posted by RayS
Quote:
Originally posted by woutert

does not IP-midi ipMIDI - MIDI over Ethernet port already give you this functionality without the sharkoon box or am I missing something…?

RayS

IPMIDI is to connect to MIDI software synths or other softwares that run on a remote computer via the LAN that connect the two computers. Not what I was looking for. I checked it out before. We need a physical MIDI interface remotely via the IP network. I don’t want to have to install a second computer on top of my Mixrack. That USB Server measures 4cmx4cmx2cm :smiley:

Wouter

Ah, OK, I was looking at it from a 2 computer install as this is what I have now! but that should still work either way…

RayS

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RayS, I’m doing exactly what you were thinking - I have a laptop at the rack (running lights via USB to DMX, remotely controlled from the FOH laptop, and soon recording via the shiny new Dante card!), but looking at that ipMIDI link it seems to refer specifically to using it with applications on the connected computers - do you need to be running a program to get the midi data in and out, or does it simply act as a bridge between connected midi devices (so the USB behringer unit & a USB midi interface at the other pc)?

iDR32 mixrack

Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)

Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)

Dante card (soon!)

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Originally posted by Biggsounds

do you need to be running a program to get the midi data in and out, or does it simply act as a bridge between connected midi devices (so the USB behringer unit & a USB midi interface at the other pc)?

I’ll be testing that this weekend. I think we’ll need some kind of MIDI forwarding program to connect one MIDI in interface with another MIDI Out on the same computer. In your case MIDI In via IPMIDI and MIDI Out via the Physical MIDI interface.

Wouter

My prayers have been heard, Dante is coming!

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quote:
Originally posted by woutert
quote:
Originally posted by Biggsounds

do you need to be running a program to get the midi data in and out, or does it simply act as a bridge between connected midi devices (so the USB behringer unit & a USB midi interface at the other pc)?

I’ll be testing that this weekend. I think we’ll need some kind of MIDI forwarding program to connect one MIDI in interface with another MIDI Out on the same computer. In your case MIDI In via IPMIDI and MIDI Out via the Physical MIDI interface.

Wouter

From what I understand, in mac os X, audio/midi setup page, you can set up a midi network sessions and from there select what interface (s) will be used as midi in and midi out, if you keep using network midi sessions, no extra program should be needed… using midi monitor snoize: MIDI Monitor to “test” this, all behaves as it should, I will try later with a physical midi interface added to the network as well as a idr 32…

RayS

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I’m running windows 7 on pc, so I might have to find an equivalent :frowning_face:

iDR32 mixrack

Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)

Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)

Dante card (soon!)

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quote:
I'll be testing that this weekend. I think we'll need some kind of MIDI forwarding program to connect one MIDI in interface with another MIDI Out on the same computer. In your case MIDI In via IPMIDI and MIDI Out via the Physical MIDI interface.

Hello woutert,

What you are looking for is Maplemidi, (www.maplemidi.com), a virtual midi cable. Install on your computer and you will have 4 midi in and 4 midi out ports!

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Originally posted by Gijsbert
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I'll be testing that this weekend. I think we'll need some kind of MIDI forwarding program to connect one MIDI in interface with another MIDI Out on the same computer. In your case MIDI In via IPMIDI and MIDI Out via the Physical MIDI interface.

Hello woutert,

What you are looking for is Maplemidi, (www.maplemidi.com), a virtual midi cable. Install on your computer and you will have 4 midi in and 4 midi out ports!

Love your work… I’ll look into that as well!

iDR32 mixrack

Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)

Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)

Dante card (soon!)

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hello

I have configured BCR2000 for iLive using Learn function.

First 8 rotaries are in 4 layers, so I assigned them to DCAs, AUXes(16) and effect returns. They also work as buttons, so it is easy make them switch between -infinite and 0 dB by pressing, so it works similar to setting mute groups on and off.

Unfortunately, you cannot mute and unmute channel by pressing the same button, so you could assign separate buttons for mute on and off (you have to use note on with different value, perhaps it would be better to engage note on and note off in future MIDI implementations).

I also assigned 24 faders to volumes of first 24 channels. The problem occures when you have stereo paired two channels and still have two rotaries - when you move one of them, the level of both channels is adjusted properly on iLive, but the second one (linked) is not automaticly adjusted and stays at the same level, so if you accidentally touch the second one, the level skips. Please A&H mind that in the next release.

best regards

Przemko

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I’m wondering if something like this might work for those of us trying to use the behringer with a laptop at FOH: https://www.welland.com.tw/html/usbip/204.html

essentially I’m thinking if this would work with a USB-midi cable at the iDR end you could have the behringer at FOH running in usb mode and link without using a second computer (running maple midi or whatever)… maybe it’s wishful thinking?

iDR32 mixrack

Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)

Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)

Dante card (soon!)

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I just got it all working! This solution however does not really like interruption of the connection so I will only use this with cable, not with Wifi. If I want wireless I think I would invest in something like WIDI. For now, though, editor and MIDI over one and the same cable.

Ingredients (all of these are needed)

  • A&H iLive IDR

  • a Egosys/ESI MIDIMate II USB-MIDI interface between the USB server and the IDR’s MIDI ports

  • a USB server + drivers installed (Sharkoon LANPort 400)

  • some meters of LANcable :smiley:

  • my laptop running Windows XP

  • MIDI-OX software for the MIDI port routing

  • BCF2000 connected via USB to my laptop + drivers installed

I’m not running it full duplex at the moment since it’s to easy to mix up input and output ports with the MIDI interface i’m using and therefore there’s a risk to create MIDI feedback in the MIDI-OX software which is not handled well by that software (it makes everything hang when it happens). I will be testing it also with another MIDI interface that doesn’t have the possibility of using all connectors as INs or OUTs. Might be less tricky.

By the way, I also control my DBX Driverack 260 via the same LAN connection now.

Wouter

My prayers have been heard, Dante is coming!

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Hey Wouter - If you use Midi Yoke instead of MIDI-OX you can set it to detect midi feedback. If feedback is detected It will disable the port (temporarily) so you won’t get a laptop lock up. I set mine to Data detect mode and it works fine. You can also set the number of ports you want.

Of course all the above hardware you use just to get MIDI to/from the mixrack is a bit of a pain and introduces many potential failure points. I have requested in the past for the ability of Editor or the mixracks to have virtual or IP MIDI ports built in - would be good to eliminate hardware solutions such as yours and it would also be great to be wireless to the laptop. Here’s hoping!

Cheers

Richard Howey

Audio Dynamite Ltd

IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72