To fade LR and Mix3 together I created a DCA Group.
(Mix 3 is a mono Subwoofer Channel and should act like the LR Stereo Channels.)
My problem: The Custom Layer Buttons can select all Inputs, also LR and also DCA … but just DCA is not really select by pressing such a Custom Layer Button but is showing a routing screen for DCA which I not expect in this case. I only want to select the DCA Channel to fade LR and Mix together like all other channels do.
Of course I could touch the screen to select, but on stage I would rather have a hardware button.
Is this possible?
Or would you go a complete another way?
What did you expect?
The DCA has routing capabilities only, there is no processing possible, so the select only shows routing
but the Fader controls the relative values for L/R and mix3 like all DCA
If you go to Setup Control Custom Layer, you can select all channels - including DCA.
But DCA is the only type of channel, wich will in Channel Custom Screen not selected if you press the Costum layer button. you can only select it by touching the screen. Is this a bug?
On a Qu Pac the row of green buttons can be assigned to access any control function.
On the Q control screen you could set up a page with the DCA channel.
Of course on the iPad QU Pad APP you can assign the DCA to any or all the custom pages.
Again a DCA is only applies level control, no processing.
It look like you got the on board custom layer/green row of select buttons set up.
To set up a Q Control page hit the Q Control button and then the function button, the set is fairly straight forward from there.
Keep in mind the only knob on the surface that can be assigned to a specific function at all times is the Alt Out Level knob below the headphone jack. The Alt Out control knob can not be assigned to any fader or DCA control.
The hardware control knob function is dependent on what menu and control function has been selected.
Thank you Mike. Yes, I can setup in Q Control a DCA Fader, but even in this way I would have to hit the Button “Q Control” on stagean, then I would have to touch the screen to select the DCA Fader, even when there is only that single item on the Q Control screen.
The Alt Out Knob is only for the hardware Alt Out, not for all the Mix Outs.
It seems there is no way to avoid to touch the screen on stage. I am musician and have to do all the technical job myself during a performance and I would like prepare it foolproof for me
So far I was excited by the cool programming possibilites and I am surprised now that this simple thing does not seem to work.
Yes I have the app and also tried Midi. Pretty cool!
But my setup should be simple and safe. I am sitting on stage next to the QU Pac, why should I connect another wireless touchscreen for the most simple thing … turn the master (for all speakers together) up or down.
I said it before - it works fine, the only problem is to switch with a BUTTON from any channel to that DCA Fader.
If you want to have a dedicated, easy to adjust, quick to grab control
for your DCA your going to need a MIDI fader control set up and that
is assuming a DCA can be assigned to a MIDI controller.
Or drop the aux fed sub set up and use the ALT OUT level knob.
How many times during a show do you adjust the overall house mix level?
Midi means you need an extra hardware and the app means an extra hardware plus wireless connection. That is to much only for the purpose to turn the volume.
But MarkPAman … your suggestion was absolutely great! Just routed all in group 1/2 and sended this to LR and Mix3. That Group I can be selected with a green button. … perfect
It’s a little bit of effort now - but worth to do it.
Just routed all in group 1/2 and sended this to LR and Mix3. That Group I can be selected with a green button.
Not sure what that gained you as far as control over what you had already done in the custom layer by assigning DCA1 to green button 16, you still need to hit a green button
to enable the hardware control knob for that button selection.
I thought you always wanted to be able to grab a knob to control the mains
and subs regardless of what mode the mixer was in.
Also in the routing you described using the group I can’t see how that is giving true “aux mix/send subs” as in separate channel by channel sub level mix/send control.
Going back to using the ALT OUT knob to give you that quick one knob grab solution here’s something I’ve done on small analog mixers were routing resources were slim yet
the need for an “aux fed sub” or something close to it was needed.
You may want to stop reading here if you really need a stereo mix to the mains…
Use the left right pan control, lets say fully left is sending only to the mains and fully right sends only to the subs. Any input channels that do not need subs get fully panned to the left, any channels that need full sub support get panned straight to the center, channels that only need a little extra sub are set somewhere between fully left
and straight center.
I think the problem with DCA, the s that when you press the green button, the DCA level is not controlled by the knob until you also press the level on the screen. This is different to the way channels and mixes behave.
Button 16 is the Group now and represent the master.
Button 15 is LR and only for “the actual speakers” in case I can drive stereo on a gig. (not always possible)
Button 14 is a Mono Mix Channel for Subwoofers with special EQ (In case I drive 2 small Tops for stereo)
Button 13 is a Mono Channel for things like Bose L1 (wich needs only 1 Channel and has its own Sub)
So I can mix every single Mix Out seperately but also in case of panic or quick adjustments turn the overall volume up or down.
That is very important and if you have selected any other channel you have to reach the master volume foolprof without touching the screen.
Of course, dedicated hardware woud be even better, but I have to save the amount of stuff around me.
At first I thought DCA was a simple thing to “glue” Mix and LR together, but then i realized that buttons not select the fader of a DCA group like all channel types do. I could not believe it and asked here.
Sorry for confusing!
And really, I still not understand neither the behavior of the DCA screen (ths routing screen should imho appear another way) nor what I have done exactly with the groups now. But it works and NEVER RUN A CHANGING SYSTEM
