We have a new problem on SQ6+. I was playing around with trying to get an independent FX for mons. Decided to try as an insert, which worked on a single aux. Interesting enough, when I looked at the fader layout, the send and return had disappeared from the fader bank. OK, so I went to un-insert the FX engine, and now I can’t get the send and return back on faders in the scene I’ve been working on. When I change to a different scene, they’re back, but when I switch back, poof. When I drag the send or return to their respective slots, they don’t stick. What did I break?
It’s logical that if you use an FX as an insert, its send and return faders will no longer be available.
What is un-insert?
If you mean “Unassign” the FX, then logically it will also have no faders.
To do this, you need to put the FX back into Mix->Return mode.
As per above, then edit the layers and drag the associated send and/or return onto the layers as appropriate. They should ‘stick’ this time…
I had the same fun and games when I changed an FX unit from an insert back to using the send/return busses.
Dave
Inserted FX have no send and return. It is simply not necessary.
https://support.allen-heath.com/hc/en-gb/articles/45946931657361-SQ-FX-Engines
Ah! On the back panel of the FX bus. Thanks!
Thank you for the info. I experienced that same issue this past Sunday. When you use the insert to add FX to a channel, how do you control the amount of the FX coming out of the monitors?
I will also try the add the FX1 back no to the channel strip.
You’re welcome.
An “Insert” is part of the channel processing chain, much like the gate or the PEQ.
It is therefore less of an FX and more of a corrective tool designed to should work the same way in the monitor as it does in the PA, such e.g. a De-Esser.
Take a look at the block diagram as well.
The typical monitor path is highlighted in yellow and includes the insert.
Thanks, my takeaway from the diagram is if the insert FX is used, the left/right pan will control the FX amount or volume.
Once the FX that was inserted into the channel is unassigned. How exactly do you reinsert (drag & drop) the send & return back into the layer strip and get it to stick where it was originally?
On the back panel, re-assign it to the FX bus.
What makes you think that?
The diagram shows that the insert point is in the signal path, in series with the rest of the signal processing.
If you were under the impression that separate send levels per mix were possible, that is a misconception.
The L+R and LEVEL controls in the “In(put) to Aux” path allow you to adjust the pan and level of the entire input channel for your (stereo) monitor mix.
If you actually want to adjust the intensity of an inserted effect (which would then apply to the entire channel and thus to all mixes), use the Dry/Wet controls.
A&H states the following regarding this:
When an FX engine is being used as an insert, … return wet/dry mix values are displayed.
Touch either wet or dry values to adjust the blend of the dry (unprocessed) signal with the wet (processed) signal.
Perhaps this is a good moment to ask which specific SQ model you are using and which effect you are referring to.
As mentioned earlier, also an “unassigned” effect lacks send or return controls.
To restore them, you must switch the effect back to the “Mix->Return” mode via the respective effect’s “Back Panel” menu.
Okay, thank you for that. Got it!
Let me confess that I’m 2 years new to digital boards. I’m using an SQ-6, so I’m learning. I have never used FX, Gates, or compressors. It’s all new to me. I have been a Church volunteer for over 20 years running analog boards.
So, you are being very helpful to me. Thank you for your knowledge and the documents shared.
Okay, just a quick point regarding your effects.
When using a typical insert effect, such as a De-Esser, you’re unlikely to feel the need to adjust the amount differently to different mixes, unlike with a reverb effect.
The latter is not a classic insert effect, but a Mix-Send->Return effect - just as was the case back in the days of your analog consoles.
I used a reverb FX as an insert once. It sounded awful! Changed it to a ‘normal’ FX Reverb and it sounded sweet.
Crials, There are some good videos out there for learning. I can post some links when I am back from holiday. Some of the videos are specifically aimed at Church use.
Where are you based? I am in the UK.
Dave