Hi, ok so its been a long time since i brought this bug to A&H attention, but im just wondering why we still have the bug where on the meter page…
The gate, comp and limit lights all indicate that the process is active even if you dont have it turned ‘on’! ? !
why is this???
sure if its not actually on, then the comp light should not light up…otherwise its very easy to lok at the page and go ‘yeah im compressing that channel’, even though you actually arnt!
hi albin, i appreciate your comment and i dont mean to be harsh, but it is a bug and A&H said this in an ealier post. i was something they were meant to fix… they just never did.
I get very sick of software developers and people that manufacture complexe software/hardware and not test it properly/throughly and/or not fix bugs/things that are not operating quite right.
if i conducted my business with these attitudes i would be out of business very quickly… yet we have forked over our money and we just sit and wait.
i love A&H and i love the iLive. what they are doing with it is awesome…hence why we have invested heavily in it…
this is a bug i reported almost the day i got the console years ago…and its still not fixed.
Nowhere in this thread did I see A&H refer to this situation as a “bug”, as you have asserted it is. The “issue” being described by A&H is that the virtual leds display a preview of what the dynamics screens would show on a selected channel. Personally, I have no problem. There is always an on-off indicator where you do wish to adjust any dynamics, either by touch screen or encoder knob.
If something doesn’t work AS INTENDED, certainly, fix it. If it’s just not YOUR preference, that doesn’t qualify as bad code. Maybe if they removed the lights entirely you wouldn’t have an issue?
Yes, i also could not read the word bug in the Post of A&H - as i understood it is an issue that some wanted to see CHANGED - so i think it is designed to work as it is.
ok…detonator and albin… you are not on the same page…literally!
i am not talking about the processing pages where you see how much compression ‘should’ be happening or what EQ ‘should’ be happening, or what limiting ‘should’ be happening…
we are talking about the meters page/screen… you know the one when you press the meters button?
on the meters page this ‘LED’ is not a preview its an ‘on’ indication and guess what…its not on!
I know exactly the screen to which you refer. METERS SCREEN, with the meter ladders and “virtual LED” lights for gate, comp, limit. I thought that was clear in my post, apologies if I was unclear. The issue, as I see it, is that YOU want the lights under the meter ladders to indicate “ON/OFF”, and they are currently indicating GAIN REDUCTION STATUS per the current settings of those dynamics, WITHOUT REGARD TO ON/OFF STATUS of that dynamic. (p.52 owners manual) The owners manual does not say these are “on/off” indicators as far as I know. If you can show me where in the manual these are on/off indicators I humbly apologize. I look at the current situation as a feature of the mixer, and if everyone seems to not like it, perhaps it will be changed or modified.
In my opinion a metering page should show what IS happening with levels - what use is gain reduction metering that may or may not be happening? If you think about the normal level meters - would you be happy if they showed what might be happening ??? For example would you be happy if muted channels still contributed to output level meters?? "I don’t think so Tim ! " Ok so it may not be a “bug” - but it is a useless level indication as it is. I love the iLive system but decent gain reduction overview metering is sadly missing in both hardware and editor.
Cheers
Richard Howey
Audio Dynamite Ltd
IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72/Mixpad,Tweak,
Dual M-Dante/DVS, 17"MBP/Logic 9/Custom Mackie Control
Showing GR meter data in the metering page is on the request list and will feature in v1.9. It would not show unless the dynamic device was ‘IN’ / active.
The big debate is whether the hardware channel processing strip GR meter LEDs should show red if the dynamics section is ‘OUT/bypassed’.
Most compressors and mix engineers, when we did research for iLive years ago, seemed to want to see the GR data displayed whether the device is IN or OUT. On the basis they can see what would happen and the IN button/state is always next to it - so you can see the full picture. Dedicated compressor units seem to do this. For Gates you could argue its a bit over the top - but we need to be consistent.
On the screen there are ways to make it clear. On iLive we chose the yellow gain curve and on the GLD (given it maybe used by semi-pro and even occasional users) we have used the GR data in grey to show more visible cues between GR IN and OUT.
We always listen, but we also must make things consistent and not radically different without thought.
Thanks for your patience on this feature and thanks for your passionate feedback on iLive.
Thanks Robc - Looking forward to 1.9! I also like the current processing strip GR metering showing regardless of In/Out status - but looking forward to improved GR metering on the Meters Page! Editor also???
Cheers
Richard Howey
Audio Dynamite Ltd
IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72/Mixpad,Tweak,
Dual M-Dante/DVS, 17"MBP/Logic 9/Custom Mackie Control
hi everyone…ok i’ll just clarify this as maybe i have not been clear in an area…
At the moment, on the Meters page, the small LEDs that indicate GR for gate, comp and limit will flash according to what gain reduction could be taking place (based on the current threshhold settings). if its only a small amount the will flicker slightly, ifs its lots they will almost stay solid.
The problem with this is that they will indicate this gair reduction regardless of where the processing is IN or OUT.
All i want them to do is turn these LEDs off if the respective processing is not enabled.
currently the LEDs lead you to believe that there is compression going on, even though the processing is infact not IN.
We are aware of this issue. Some users have requested this change to be implemented though we have not had enough interest to justify this change. This issue is still up for review so the more feedback we get on how users think this should work will help us work on what is best for you.
I have updated the status of this issue with your comments we will look into this for the next firmware release.
Please count me in as one who would like to see gate/comp/limit lights OFF when the processing is OFF - it’s lead my team in to some pretty good wild-goose-chases that ended up with them so absorbed in fixing the problem that they ended up missing more important cues. Sure, we can’t account for others’ lack of discipline, but with some good design we can certainly limit the options!
I thought the idea of having the processing lights active even when the process is switched off, is so the user can see what effect the gate/comp/limit would have before it is activated, like a sort of preview.
That said, many times I have seen users spend time adjusting dynamics thinking they are having an effect on the sound, but they have forgotten to switch the process on and are wasting their time. I suppose this would suggest something needs changing.
Is this something that could be switched on/off in user settings (once the programming is done)? That way those that want the preview option can have it.
I have found it useful but have also fallen into the same trap as some others here.
I actually like it… At first i didn’t, but now i can fidle with the settings before actually applying it. Somehow it’s helpfull to see what a compressor would do, before it does it’s job. Guest engineer get confused sometimes, but i even had a engineer who changed an eq setting from a channel he didn’t select first. His complaints where the same as the complaints i see here. Maybe it’s better to call it “processing preview” and add an option to turn it off (and market it as a new, exciting feature!)
In the meters page you want to see what the mixer levels ARE doing. Having a single Gain reduction led indicating that reduction is taking place when it might not be active is just not a good idea. Having said that - who actually finds them useful anyway as it is just one led - that might be wrong!!!
Cheers
Richard Howey
Audio Dynamite Ltd
IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72/Mixpad,Tweak,
Dual M-Dante/DVS, 17"MBP/Logic 9/Custom Mackie Control
They work visually when turned on, but no effect on the output which goes to the mains. input, aux, matrix channels are fine with limiter but groups. I don’t get it why…
