Monitor mix weirdness

Not sure how to describe. Using SQ6 for the practice room today. No mains, just mons. Mix 2 and 3 work normally and get fx. Mix 1, when you bring up the master, it passes the mic signal even though the mic fader is down, and gets a bit louder when the mic fader is raised. The fx fader works. All three busses appear to have identical routing, etc. I must be missing something.

Can we assume that you have selected your Mix 1 on the right and that not only the send faders of the corresponding microphone channel, but also all returns of FX that might be used for this microphone are closed in this mix?

I’ve tried every combination of sends, returns, etc I could think of. I’ll get through rehearsal by scooting from stagebox out 1,2,3 to 2,3,4, which is working. So it seems to be something in Mix 1.

At least it seems you’ve managed to fix the FX issue you mentioned yesterday.
Next, please check if anyone has patched the problematic microphone channel to the Ext In of your Mix 1.

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I’d also suggest that you double check to see if something has been double patched to Mix 1. For example, perhaps the vocal FX send is being patched into Mix 1 by mistake, or the vocal mics individually and the vocal group is being patched, etc, etc, etc.

I can’t find any extraneous patches. I looked through all the options. I think I may just do a reset and start over, which is OK, as I am learning the board anyway. But I don’t like not knowing what caused it.

Especially if you’re not yet very familiar with the console, a reset is definitely better than taking over someone else’s project and then constantly encountering puzzling things you can’t explain.
The advantage, of course, is that you can save this project and, once you’ve gained more knowledge, try to troubleshoot the problem again later.
Another option could be to make the show available to others (e.g., also here) so that someone could take a look.

It’s my console, so no issues with a reset. The idea of saving the show and having someone who actually knows what’s going on look at it is interesting. Can files be attached here?

Reset, and seems to be working normally. Question, for my rehearsals, I’m not using the LR outs, only monitors. Is there a way to get FX to the mixes without raising the LR channel faders? For instance, I don’t get any vocal reverb in the monitors until I raise the LR vocal fader.

No, you need to insert a link to an uploaded file here.

Unlike the mixes, the FX sends are set to post (Main LR) fader by default.
However, you can switch each FX send individually to Pre in the FX Send mix, or select “All Pre” in the FX Send routing.

In your rehearsal situation, it would also be possible to stay on post-fader and leave your main mix faders set as if your show were starting with the LR-PA active.
Then you would have similar handling to the show itself (if, like most others, you would let your FX in the monitors following the main mix).

Ok, I’ll try that. I get that it’s not normal (Something I’ve never been accused of). I’m trying to understand the board more, and rehearsals give me more time at the faders.

Thanks for all the help!

Sheesh, sorry for being such a pest. So, sending the FX all pre basically works for this setup. But for some reason FX 2 and 4 are not working at all. I have all my settings identical for everything I could find. But when you go to the FX pages for 2 and 4, there is no signal on the input meters.

If you did indeed a reset, the first 4 FX units will be routed identically afterward.
If you’re experiencing any differences there, you’ll need to double-check what you did and why.
Keep in mind that even after the mentioned switching from Post to Pre (Main LR fader), each FX unit will still have an FX Send master with Mute and each input channel will have an FX Send fader with Assign.
Any of these four, in addition to channel mute, can block the signal to the FX unit.

I pretty much understand that, and checked all of that yesterday.

Today, I turned it on, changed NOTHING, and it’s working now. That’s a little disturbing. Ghost in the machine?

Hi Dave

Its always worth a second set of eyes looking at your show file. Even after 8 years; another sound engineer can sometimes pickup an issue on my scene first (and vice versa) simply because their brain works differently. :slight_smile: All the best