Changed course, and ordered the TP-Link. Relatively inexpensive.
CRJ
Oswego, IL
T112 Surface
iDR48 Mix Rack
Sony F Series laptop
Win 7 500GB HD 8G RAM
Airport Extreme & Express
iPad 2 and Dante soon
Purchased the TP-Link and all I have to say is WOW!
The router already had the latest firmware. Note, latest firmware supports IGMP Ver 1 & 2 (see previous post from woutert)
Addressed all wireless components on my network, iPad, Laptops, and the iLive hardware. Using DHCP, and limited the DHCP range to just the components in the network. Also using WPA-2 security, and I limited wireless connections to only connect wireless mac addresses coded.
Did a hard boot on the router, connected mixrack and powered on.
Connected laptop to the network, open editor, clicked ok, connected to mixrack in 83 seconds.
First thing I did was enabled multicasting on the iLive and rebooted. Reconnected Editor to mixrack, 81 seconds.
Connected mixpad from iPad 2, 10 seconds. Scrolled through input list no latency.
Plugged iPod into mix rack channels and sent music.
On laptop in editor, Opened RTA window, channel processing using processing view PEQ with fill enabled, and bounced the SEL button between channels using the graph view. No system busy messages at all.
I wanted to put a bigger load on the router, so I decided to connect the ethernet cable from my T112 surface to the router.
Turn on T112, connection time to mixrack was 95 seconds (surface ready to use). Note, Using ACE connection to connect, is normally 104 to 114 seconds. I was surprised with that one.
Took iPad outside beyond walls, walked approximately 230 feet, before input meters on ipad started to freeze.
Initial tests are very positive with this router…68.00 US with shipping for me.
This may be premature, but the airport extreme is moving down a notch.
Very positive right now, and appreciate all for the sharing of information on these posts.
Cheers!
CRJ
Oswego, IL
T112 & iDR48
Sony F 1.73GHZ I7 8 Core
Win 7 Pro 500GB HD 8G RAM
TP-Link WR1043ND
Airport Extreme & Express
Dante May?
Hi all,
Purchased today also TP-Link router. Bought the Ipad2 last week so eager to connect. After instaling the router connecting worked fine. I also can control everything. Everything i do acts instantly in the editor and on the surface. So far so good. But… I don’t have any metering, no levels no RTA, nothing !!
I turned multicast on, in the editor. Do I have to change the multicast group adress ( its now set to default 239.0.1.1 ) to an adress in my router address-range ( 192.68.1.x ). Seems like I’m doing something wrong.
Best regards, Rene
T112 & iDR48
Macbook Pro
TP-Link WR1043ND
Dante… soon hopefully
Nothing is completly true, and even that’s not true.
Rene, you’re running into the same issue we iPad 1 owners had (this was talked about in earlier posts - have a look through all the iPad thread for more details): go to Settings, scroll down to the MixPad app, switch off and then on all the options available. Problem solved.
iDR32 mixrack
MixRack for iPad & Tweak for iPhone apps
Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)
Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)
Dante card (soon!)
The Metering was already turned on default. Also multicast. After disabling and enabling multicast on the Ipad, it suddenly worked… kind of strange but anyway it works. Thanks for the advice !!
I noticed that the Ipad regulary looses the Wifi Connection ( The laptop with editor is also connected via WiFi ). After putting an restriction in the router for only the MAC - adresses of the MacBook and the Ipad, it seems not happen that often anymore.
Also I noticed that after the Ipad goes in the screensaver, and then comming back to Mixpad, the metering does not work anymore. I’m still able to control the Mixrack, but the metering is gone. After restarting Mixpad the metering just works fine again. Anyone having the same experience ?
I also ordered 3 WiFi antenna extension cables so I can bring the antennas to the outside of the Rack. Hope that will give some more range.
Rene,
T112 & iDR48
Macbook Pro
TP-Link WR1043ND
Dante… soon hopefully
Nothing is completly true, and even that’s not true.
Depending on the router your wireless security can really effect performance - I’ve disabled WPA security and have it locked down via MAC addressing only and have found it VERY stable (10 hour + calls with no dropouts on the laptop), and that’s a cheap router; I’m moving to one of the above recommended routers to accommodate the new Dante card soon which I’m guessing will improve the stability even more. As far as screen lock goes, I set mine to 15minutes or off at gigs as I find if I let it sleep for long it will boot me off.
iDR32 mixrack
MixRack for iPad & Tweak for iPhone apps
Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)
Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)
Dante card (soon!)
Hi All,
Been following this thread and learning as we go. Looking at a different angle I’d like to approach this from if I’m understanding networking better; still not real confident if I’ve got this correct. I’ve found this GS108Tv2 Netgear 8 port switch that I’d like to use on stage with all the rack gear. It’s a managed switch that has IGMP snooping v3 with the latest software. (The website is not exactly up to date in some places and makes it harder to find some info.) I’m thinking of using this with an access point.(AP) BTW TP-Link makes several high data rate AP’s and they even use POE so you could power them from the rack and then locate the AP up higher or wherever you can get good coverage of the venue.(They also have a good selection of high gain antennas that work on their gear.) The GS108Tv2 is also capable of using POE but because it’s in my rack I don’t really need to use it. The switch would serve the AP, the iDR 32, amp rack and DBX 48x processors (Monitors) through a Moxa serial port. Could even run a hard line to FOH for the small desktop if I like.
The one question I can’t answer for sure has to do with IGMP using a Querier in the system somewhere that uses a table to keep tabs on ports etc. for the multicast info and routing or something to that effect. It’s a router or switch that provides the Querier function and being many of us are just using our gear as a LAN we don’t really need a router to connect to an outside network or WAN. The exception would be if you want to tie into the Internet or other network in a venue. If anyone understands the Querier part in this and whether a switch like this should work with multicast as being discussed in this thread I’d welcome the input.
Here’s some other info on netgears site for anyone that’s interested.
Manual The link looks to be v2 but I’m not sure the dowload is???
Scott
iDR 32
iDR D-Out
MMO
Lenova T61, M90, iPad soon I hope.
I have found no difference with or without using wireless security on my router as it relates to throughput. I am using WPA-2.
Mac addressing all components including iPhones will insure the same addresses will be assigned to those components.
Keep in mind, that Mac addressing will certainly insure ip assignment, but using no wireless security will make you a target for any hacker to manufacturer packets and pursued your wireless network to listen in and accept those packets resulting in declining performance of the router. Key word here is wireless. If your wireless radio is turned off, then wireless security is not needed.
CRJ
Oswego, IL
T112 & iDR48
Sony F 1.73GHZ I7 8 Core
Win 7 Pro 500GB HD 8G RAM
TP-Link WR1043ND
Airport Extreme & Express
Dante May?
HI,
I also purchased the TPlink router TP-WR1043ND. I tested the ipad without multicast.
I was on stage ( 5m away from router ) and suddenly had no response on the ipad. after 20 sec i got the message out off memory.The only thing that was also running was system settings. I restarted the ipad and could reconnect and everything worked as expected. Had the same issue some weeks earlier with an other router.
I don’t think that wifi signal or speed was the culprit. I enabled the multicast and will further investigate. maybe its a bug.
Regards
Lieven
T112/IDR48/R72/IDR16/IPAD
Save a tree, eat a beaver
Lieven - don’t even have system settings open on the iPad (First gen) Mixpad seems to need ALL the memory!
Cheers
Richard Howey
Audio Dynamite Ltd
IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72
Hi Scott
Sorry, just read your post and whilst I can’t help much, this is how I understand it !
Multicast needs an IGMP Querier to work correctly. If both your AP and your switch are capable of Multicast, then they are both capable of acting as a querier.
The role of the querier needs only to be carried out by one node on the network, and the arbitration of this role is defined in the RFC:
RFC 2236…
There is normally only one Querier per physical network. All multicast routers start up as a Querier
on each attached network. If a multicast router hears a Query message from a router with a lower IP
address, it MUST become a Non-Querier on that network.
So basically your AP and Switch will have a chat, and the lowest IP Address gets the job.
If either are incapable, no problems, as long as someone is doing to job, but you may place extra load on switches / hubs that are non multicast aware as they will probably broadcast the traffic to all ports.
Hope this helps
Andy
A&H
quote:
Originally posted by bucksHi Scott
Sorry, just read your post and whilst I can’t help much, this is how I understand it !
Multicast needs an IGMP Querier to work correctly. If both your AP and your switch are capable of Multicast, then they are both capable of acting as a querier. …
Hope this helps
Andy
A&H
Thanks Andy! That does make sense to me now. I was underestimating the role of an access point in the network as well. They would indeed need to be capable of separating traffic to/from multiple computers or iPads. I at least have an idea of questions to ask now when looking at gear. I remember when I first got into the network “thing” I was so confused about wireless routers until I found an explanation of them being a router, switch and access point rolled into one. Then reading about the individual parts it actually made sense.
Thanks again!
Scott
iDR 32
iDR D-Out
MMO
Lenova T61, M90, iPad soon I hope.
I’m hoping someone can help me. I did a show last night for the first time using the MixPad app along with my T-80 & iDR-32. I went and bought a new Netgear N750 router (it was 1 of 3 that A&H suggested to me - not a cheap unit). I’ve checked the multicast settings (i think), turned off a NAT filter that was blocking the metering and everything came up. The problem is that after a few minutes of using the app and switching between aux sends and mains, the metering stops. I still have control. I’ve tried turning off then on the 3 switches in settings, nothing. The only way to get metering back is to restart the app. Then the same thing. Only a few minutes of use and I have to restart. I’ve tried turning off the wireless security and it made no difference. I’ve tried the 2.4ghz & 5ghz feed, no difference. I’ve made sure that no other apps are running, no difference. The settings in this particular router are a little above my networking skills. I am wondering if there is something else to set in there. I’ve read through the forums and cant figure this out. I will be doing the same show again tonight and would love some suggestions.
Thanks!
Jaylon
T112/IDR48
T80/IDR32
iPad 2
Netgear N750 router
Everything updated to current FIrmwre
Jaylon, I had the WNDR3700 (N600) for two days. I returned it with similar issues.
Sorry I am not much help, as I am struggling with iPad connection issues with my TP. Good luck tonight.
CRJ
Oswego, IL
T112 & iDR48
Sony F 1.73GHZ I7 8 Core
Win 7 Pro 500GB HD 8G RAM
TP-Link WR1043ND
Airport Extreme & Express
Dante May?
I’ve had rock solid performance on my cheap Netgear router, I’ve just ordered the Belkin (I need the gigabit throughput for Dante!) - here’s hoping I haven’t jinxed it swapping routers (worst case I’ll leave the Netgear in the rack just for wireless operations)!
iDR32 mixrack
MixRack for iPad & Tweak for iPhone apps
Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)
Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)
Dante card (soon!)
quote:
Originally posted by BiggsoundsI’ve had rock solid performance on my cheap Netgear router, I’ve just ordered the Belkin (I need the gigabit throughput for Dante!) - here’s hoping I haven’t jinxed it swapping routers (worst case I’ll leave the Netgear in the rack just for wireless operations)!
I’ll be pleasantly surprised if you get good Dante performance via a wireless router. Please keep us posted.
Wishful thinking - no I won’t be assuming Dante over wifi, I will use the gigabit ports for that (I intend to run to 2 computers for redundancy, hence using the router, although I understand I’ll have to buy a second license), just wanted to set it up so the one unit can run my editor/MixPad sessions and carry the Dante stream.
iDR32 mixrack
MixRack for iPad & Tweak for iPhone apps
Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)
Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)
Dante card (soon!)
So I just went and bought the Belkin Play N600 HD that was recommended at the beginning of this thread. I hate it. I got it and went in and configured it and the system connected right away but NO METERS. I tried everything. This router doesn’t give you the advanced options to go in and do what you need to. I then switch back to the Netgear WNDR4000 (N750) and the meters came back . . .and then they froze again. This is the problem I am having with the Netgear unit. I have been watching it with the stopwatch on my phone and it freezes right around 4 min. every time. I still have control over the console, just no meters. If any of you have this router working correctly, I would love to know your router configuration to make sure that I am not missing something. I don’t know what else to change.
Thanks!
Jaylon
T112/IDR48
T80/IDR32
iPad 2
Netgear N750 router
Everything updated to current FIrmwre
quote:
Originally posted by BiggsoundsI’ve had rock solid performance on my cheap Netgear router, I’ve just ordered the Belkin (I need the gigabit throughput for Dante!) - here’s hoping I haven’t jinxed it swapping routers (worst case I’ll leave the Netgear in the rack just for wireless operations)!
iDR32 mixrack
MixRack for iPad & Tweak for iPhone apps
Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)
Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)
Dante card (soon!)
You said you have had rock solid performance on a cheap Netgear router. Do you know what you settings are inside the router?
T112/IDR48
T80/IDR32
iPad 2
Netgear N750 router
Everything updated to current FIrmwre
I’ll pull up the settings next time I connect & write a list of how it’s setup - hoping I can get the same performance with the Belkin, it would suck to have bought it for this specific purpose and it not be of any use 
iDR32 mixrack
MixRack for iPad & Tweak for iPhone apps
Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)
Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)
Dante card (soon!)