Hello,
At our church we are using the QU-24 as our mixing console. We want to use the USB out and use it to mix in reaper on a PC for outlet livestream. However we want to mix in a separate room this room is about 50m from our console we have tried some methods use usb over that length but with no success. Does anyone know how we can achieve this?
use the search, dammmmit
every week the same questions and nobody is searching
we already had some long discussions about this
I’m sorry but I cannot find it. Could you post a link to the post.
@Rensdebee
Really you think you will use reaper in RT for livestream mixing while it is being transmitted ?
If you are going to mix and upload later then use sneaker net.
For livestream
Mix in the Qu and move your pc with obs or equivalent encoding box next to it
and just feed the sound into that pc from a mix out.
Some feed the sound to a camera and relay it to their OBS pc.
But You wont do 164 feet with usb without some magical devices between them.
We use our main console to make a room mix but we want to make a livestream mix sperate from the room mix with it’s own effects, eq, and compression. A lot of people have adapted using a daw for there livestream mix. So it is possible and I was looking for a way to transmit ASIO over a longer distance possibly over ethernet or something. In the other threat I could not find a suitable solution, long usb cable are just not reliable at that distance. I will look further.
I did understand what U are trying to do…
the conclusion is … it is not possible with the QU and USB
maximum extension length is 20m and could work but it’s not supported
for the SQ, Avantis and dLive (oh and the iLive and GLD) it would be easy going with the help of DANTE or MADI (not in SQ)
The longest run I’ve seen suggested for a USB 2.0 amplified cable is about 80 ft. For USB 3 it’s about 25 feet.
Here’s a wild suggestion: Put your CPU within range of your longest USB B-A cable from the mixer and use a KVM swit5ch to extend your Monitor, keyboard and mouse to your control room.
There are a lot of these devices, and they can get expensive. One you might consider is Black Box Item #: ACU5002A KVM Extender - VGA, USB Computer, PS/2 Console, Single-Access, CATx that sells for about $450.You get top-flight video performance with VGA resolutions of 1600 x 1200 up to 328 feet (100 m) and 1900 x 1440 up to 164 feet (50 m).
An HDMI unit will probably run over $1000.
@Rensdebee
The matrix lets you diddle it even more tweaking in the Qu if that is what you want to do
but still we do mixing on the Qu then send it to OBS from a mix out
move your reaper DAW pc closer to the Qu
why cause problems needlessly
KVM extenders will not work I guess
since these mostly not able to use the asyncronus transfer method usually used for streaming data over USB
the timing on the interface get out of sync over long cables and many conversations and so the transmission would not be relieable enough for audio
you should try it before you buy a device
Perhaps you need to educate me a bit more regarding KVM devices. The only signals transmitted here are the video, keyboard and mouse digital signals. No audio is involved. All audio is handled by the PC-USB-Mixer interface, which you would have in any situation.
@doctorg
dont you have to merge the audio with the video for encoding and then streaming ?
are you using osb and also mixing with a DAW in the pc for streaming?
how do you keep everything synced up ?
No we have more then one laptop, one for streaming and one for audio. We are not able to have the audio/mixing pc in the same room as the QU because we use the QU for the room mix and the pc for the livestream mix. Then we stream the audio over NDI to the streaming pc. Sync is just trial and error we almost have got no delay between video and audio.
KVM could be a useful methods, I will look into that.
I was hoping someone more knowledgeable than I on this topic would respond regarding the use of KVM technology, but none have so far, so I’ll add my two-cents worth.
This technology has been used for decades for remote operation of computers, and I feel it should work here. However, because the technology has so many applications and vendors, it may be difficult to find the most cost-effective solution.
Basically, you connect your mixer USB-B to the local host PC (should be a good, fast PC. Could be a laptop, but the monitor is not needed.} then connect the Video, USB and audio from the PC to the KVM Transmitter, which is connected via Cat5/6 cable to the remote KVM receiver. That is then connected to the video monitor, keyboard, mouse and audio device in the remote location. Note that the PC DAW will be working with multichannel audio, but only the stereo output from the PC is transmitted remotely. Should there be an issue with the audio over the KVM link, you can send the low-impedance audio from the sound card output jack over a separate shielded cable to the remote location. That should work. That is what I originally assumed until I found that standard audio is also commonly handled by KVM devices.
Because this won’t be cheap, let me add that many groups that stream good music don’t do it live. Rather, they record the muulti-channel audio and mix/master it in their DAW before streaming or uploading it at a later time. Be sure this isn’t a reasonable solution before going much further.
I hope this will get you started…
@DoctorG
The simplest best cheapest easiest solution is to move the PC next to the Qu
We do that and it WORKS! without all the angst and expense and other problems folks have with far distant pcs.
@Rensdebee
Instead of a KVM connection I would go the RDP route. This is network enabled and quite fast enough. But there is another issue to talk about. If you want to mix within a DAW like Reaper using an ASIO interface like the QU how will you do the monitoring of the mix? Since Reaper only allows you one ASIO interface you have to pass the output back to your QU and then to the monitoring device in your extra room. Have you ever thought about that.
BTW: The more I read such questions like yours here from QU users, the more I come to the conclusion that users like you bet on the wrong horse. The SQ series would be the better product for your needs, to stay within the product ranges provided by A&H. The QU is an entry level mixing console and, for my opinion, never designed to do such tasks like you and others want to do that. The SQ series is far more versatile. Using it with a Dante card will eliminate the constraint of length more or less, and you can use Dante Via to create a simple monitoring solution for your audio mixing PC. Since Reaper only works with the Dante Virtual Soundcard, you have no problems.
Dante Via can also be a solution for you problem but unfortunately it is restricted to 16 audio channels.
@Mfk0815, I also saw RDP it looks promising i will think of a solution how to implement it.
I have thought about monitoring, there is a plug-in for reaper to output the master mix to the soundcard of your liking. Also when we bought the QU about 4 yours ago we didn’t think we had to livestream our services so we didn’t cared about such functionality.
@voluonteer, you keep saying put the laptop closer to the console and I get that that is necessary. But we are not able to mix in the same room as the console that’s the problem. So we need away of mixing sounds from the QU in another room sperate from the mixer.
What we did was use a group in mix mode. Assign all channels to the mix to pre-fader. Assign the group to a matrix and run the matrix output to a focusrite usb interface connected to our streaming computer (actually a Mevo camera). Then we ran the group outputs on the board to a headphone amp in another room using xlr cables. Then used the iPad app in the room to adjust the channel faders in the group mix. You can’t adjust EQ or other parameters at the channel level but you can EQ and compress the mix to taste.
@Mkk0815
and yet we use our Qu quite well for live and streaming
we just dont have the video part in another zipcode
by puttting everything in one room it works really good
@Rensdebee
Okay , then move the mixer closer to the laptop
Or move both of them somewhere else that they are both close together
Trying to get usb to do that distance is not feasible
and note the other problems you will have that @mfk0815 noted
I am sure that there is some way to do it the way you want if you throw enough money at the problem
that makes the question do you have that much money at all and do you really want to spend it that way