“It would be great to see D/Live make the transition from a console that people bring them selves in a self contained package to a console that’s well used and commonly accepted as a house board to walk in and mix on.”
I agree with M Van Houten
Dlive is becoming popular in Australia and slowly becoming an install favourite.
To jump the next hurdle amongst the Avid and Digico competition at festivals and installs
to easily recall “preamps only” after a soft patch will be a game changer!
+1 bump to this thread.
The Everything IO ecosystem definitely needs this as an option. Today, I was trying to switch a showfile with everything sourced from a DM48 to 3x DX168’s. I tried saving a preamp only scene with the mixrack and recalling it once softpatched and… nothing. Ended up having to just write everything down and manually input which just seems like a waste of time when these consoles have FPGA chips and 800+ routing paths.
Not sure the best way to do this? Maybe a global input preamp store and recall in the utility section that does a snapshot of all 128 input channel settings.
Certainly! "Seeking a solution to retain original preamp values after soft-patching a file to adapt to a new input patch. Explored global safe and recall filtering between scenes without success.
This is old. But I support this isue, what M Van Houten says is relatable. And the solution is really simple ( the fact he could solve the issue using an excel sheet proves that, but he sould not need to do all that for such a simple matter).
The solution is really simple, in the recall safes there should be two different buttons, one for “pre amp patch” and other for “gain”.
Obviously when you change patch, the gain value will move with the pre amp.
But in a festival situation, you could recall your scene, move the patch to the festival patch, put a recall safe just for the “patch” (not the gain value), and recall the scene again. Now the patch will stay the same, but the gain per channel will be recalled.
Most of the times in a festival situation, you use the “same preamp type” you used in your scene, but just in a different channel order, so being able to do this is really helpful, and can even be a life saver if have almost cero sound check time …
Didn’t some yammy consoles have ‘recall gain from channel’ or ‘recall gain from head amp’ buttons ?
Perhaps there is a way to make something like that work.
The CSV route sounds like a viable and actually pretty fast way to do a festival patch for a visiting file. The babysitters can have a spreadsheet editor ready for that - simply change the patch fields, save as new and push to the console. Copy and paste works great for CSV files in openoffice (or another spereadsheet that dosn’t require stupid internet).
Most of the other consoles can do this. Rivage and Digicos absolutely can do this, and Midas as well (in both Pro and Heritage consoles). On top of this, the preamp recall filter is one of the options within the processing of the input channel. So we automatically assume that it is something that is dictated on the input channel. If it wasn’t possible to recall the gain of the input channel, and not of the io slot, why would there be a recall filter for the gain on the input channel processing? Why not have the gains recall be on the “Other” page for some IO settings?
And one more +1 on this. Recalling channel presets are great but we can’t recall 50+ input gains on channel libraries. And we can’t bring in a CSV file on an offline editor when we’re jumping on a house console at a festival with a house patch. We should be able to just save a scene and recall purely the gains off that scene.
It’s definitely a value that can be recalled, since it recalls if you change gains between scenes without changing the input patch. If you change the input patch then the gain does get recalled, but on the input socket. So swapping an input from channel 1 to channel 10 will not have the option of recalling the gain once swapped, but if you fire the scene it will, however, recall the gain on socket 1. So it does recall, it’s just recalling the preamp sockets, not the input channels.
If you then think about the fact that you could have way more sockets than you have input channels, it stands to reason that it would probably be even easier if they had the recall scope on input gains (on the input channels) recall the gain on the input channel processing and not on every single io slot of the desk.
No. It depends on the recall filters.
Keep in mind, a scene always saves everything.
That is misleading.
What is, if you use sockets without input channels?
Tie lines, inserts, mix inputs, channel A/B/C/D assignments.
The channel is not the same as the input socket.
This does my head in and is probably the single most annoying part of this otherwise great system.
I tour a dlive but for many reasons don’t use it on every show. I often have to use the house system with different dlive racks and different surface.
It drives me nuts that I can’t recall my show, then re-patch to the house setup and retain my preamp settings. Why, absolutely stupid. I understand how it works, but it’s beyond stupid in a touring, no soundcheck, or a line check only scenario.
I’m told ALL of the dlive pres are the SAME regardless of the rack, so there is no reason for this.
I often need to recall my showfile, then re-patch to the house setup (inputs and outputs) what could be a fast and simple exercise becomes a messy pain in the a. It makes no sense why this hasn’t become an option.
Please add this to a future firmware update.
Allow a re-patch to a different preamp and retain the current settings. Simple.
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Usually recalling would only be an issue if you have DX/GX boxes involved.
That being said, I completely agree that you should be able to recall a scene that contains the gain setting for the channel, and not the preamp.
And just to clear things up, there are certainly differences in the inputs depending on when the units where purchased. This pertains more to the converters I guess. I know that when connecting a DX/GX box, they actually negotiate firmware and do some input matching in the background.