Router Setup

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Hi All

Just wondering how you guys setup your networking.

I have two i-live systems, each in its own rack with a 16 port switch and a belkin playmax.

Our workshop also has its own wired and wireless networking.

In an ideal world everything would be cross plugable without needing any configuration to use.

Our networks are setup as follows…

Workshop: 192.168.0.X 255.255.255.0

ilive1: 192.168.0.X 255.255.255.0

ilive2: 192.168.0.X 255.255.255.0

now this is all fine in a wired only world, i can plug each rack into our local network and access it using wifi in our workshop or via a wired connection. It gets tricky when you add wireless to each rack.

The question is whether to setup the belkins as AP’s or routers. I tend to lean towards routers because this gives you DHCP for laptops and Ipads which makes configuration easy.

However the question is whether to put the ilive network into a LAN port on the belkins or into the internet port, or to connect the workshop network into the LAN port or the WAN port. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages that are driving me nuts.

If i’m connected to the ilive wireless rack which is also connected to our local network, i’d still like to be able to print or use the internet. Also, if the rack is connected to the workshop network, then any PC on the network should also be able to access an iLive.

But, ideally if you connect to the iLive wifi network, opening the ilive editor on a PC should show all the ilives on the network, this isn’t possible if your ilive network is on the WAN port.

However, if I set the LAN network on each playmax to also be a 192.168.0.X range (same as the workshop) then I can’t actually route to the workshop if its on the WAN port as its the same network and confuses the router.

I’m thinking the only way forward is to:

workshop: 192.168.0.X connected to WAN port - playmax picks up workshop DHCP.

ilive1: 192.168.1.X connected to LAN port

wifi: 192.168.1.X with DHCP to clients and or LAN clients.

does anyone else have any thoughts and suggestions or can share their setups (especially if they are complex setups)?

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Ideally you woud configure the belkin as an AP, because when is configured as a router it’s going to be NATing everything on the wan side. Will the belkins not provide dhcp in AP mode?

Everything should be reachable if they are in router mode as long as everything is on e LAN port. I would avoid using the wan port, as it will only routebdat through it if it’s on a different subnet.

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Originally posted by millst

Hi All

Just wondering how you guys setup your networking.

I have two i-live systems, each in its own rack with a 16 port switch and a belkin playmax.

Our workshop also has its own wired and wireless networking.

In an ideal world everything would be cross plugable without needing any configuration to use.

Our networks are setup as follows…

Workshop: 192.168.0.X 255.255.255.0

ilive1: 192.168.0.X 255.255.255.0

ilive2: 192.168.0.X 255.255.255.0

now this is all fine in a wired only world, i can plug each rack into our local network and access it using wifi in our workshop or via a wired connection. It gets tricky when you add wireless to each rack.

The question is whether to setup the belkins as AP’s or routers. I tend to lean towards routers because this gives you DHCP for laptops and Ipads which makes configuration easy.

However the question is whether to put the ilive network into a LAN port on the belkins or into the internet port, or to connect the workshop network into the LAN port or the WAN port. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages that are driving me nuts.

If i’m connected to the ilive wireless rack which is also connected to our local network, i’d still like to be able to print or use the internet. Also, if the rack is connected to the workshop network, then any PC on the network should also be able to access an iLive.

But, ideally if you connect to the iLive wifi network, opening the ilive editor on a PC should show all the ilives on the network, this isn’t possible if your ilive network is on the WAN port.

However, if I set the LAN network on each playmax to also be a 192.168.0.X range (same as the workshop) then I can’t actually route to the workshop if its on the WAN port as its the same network and confuses the router.

I’m thinking the only way forward is to:

workshop: 192.168.0.X connected to WAN port - playmax picks up workshop DHCP.

ilive1: 192.168.1.X connected to LAN port

wifi: 192.168.1.X with DHCP to clients and or LAN clients.

does anyone else have any thoughts and suggestions or can share their setups (especially if they are complex setups)?

Callum Brieske

ML Consultants

New Zealand

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Unfortunately the belkin doesnt act as a dhcp server when in AP mode. Otherwise it would be perfect.

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quote:
Originally posted by millst

Unfortunately the belkin doesnt act as a dhcp server when in AP mode. Otherwise it would be perfect.

You really should try these: https://www.gowifi.co.nz/engenius-networks/engenius-ecb-1221r-250mw-wireless-router/bridge/wds/repeater.html

I’ve got a few, and they’re great. With a higher gain antenna on them, the range is impressive.

Callum Brieske

ML Consultants

New Zealand

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Hi Callum

I actually use the Engenius ECB9500 as our workshop router:

https://www.gowifi.co.nz/engenius-networks/engenius-ecb9500-802.11b/g/n-wireless-multifunction-access-point.html

But it has the same problem and none of the engenius routers support multicasting which makes them useless in a big iLive setup.

For those that are interested, I’ve solved the problem.

I changed the iLive networks to run on the 192.168.1.X network.

In the workshop (or if we are connecting to another physical network) I connect it into the Internet port on the belkin. Our workshop runs on the 192.168.0.X network.

To solve the problem I added a static router into our workshop router which uses the Belkin as a gateway onto the 192.168.1.X network.

Now I can be connected to either iLive wifi or workshop wifi or any or either or them as wired networks and it all plays nicely.

I can print or surf the net connected to an iLive rack, or i can connect to an iLive from a desktop PC in our workshop and its routed onto that network via the Belkin.

Multicasting works, but not if you are connected to workshop wifi.