I am a SQ5+ owner and start playing around with all the UltraFX tools.
I noticed some fase or chorus problems when using a combination Vocal Tuner insert and reverb send return.
This vocal channel goes to a Vocal Group, and then to main. But if i use a (ultraFX) reverb in the same vocal channel (send-return) is notice some strange double or chorus effect. The send return reverb goes not through the vocal group, but directly to main.
My question is, is my routing wrong? Should i route the reverb effect also first in the vocal group?
I noticed the same thing while playing with the VT. I don’t remember how I got it to go away. I did spend some frustrating time on the internets trying to find some sort of tutorial, but couldn’t.
is this a group with multiple vocals, or just 1? The tuner won’t work on multiple vocals. Also, you should really be inserting it, as opposed to send>return, as that will leave you with a tuned and un tuned version both hitting the PA, and at slightly different timing, as the tuner adds some latency.
So I’d insert it on the vocal input itself rather than a group, and definitely not a send>return setup.
I have inserted the VT on a vocal channel. But this channel goed first to a group for extra processing, and then to main. (I tested with one vocal only) But the reverbs are going directly to main. I know that the VT ads some extra latency. I try to find the best routing set up to solve this issue.
OK. Normally, effects like this occur when, whilst routing, you accidentally patch several different routes from the source to the final output.
This also applies to effects that are intended for use as inserts rather than ‘send–return’ (MB, DynEQ, de-esser, etc.).
In this case, it could also be down to the difference in signal delay between the reverb and the tuner.
Where is your reverb pickup point? BEFORE the tuner? It should actually be AFTER the tuner.
Using the RUFX Vocal Tuner does add some additional latency that is not compensated for by the console. I wouldn’t expect this added latency to cause phasing issues with the reverb FX since the output of the reverb should be pretty non-correlated. However you might experiment with adding 6-11ms (the amount that A&H says the plugin can add) to the reverb path to see if it clears up the echo sound that you are hearing.
While they aren’t “cheap”, the RUFX plugins have routinely been called “excellent” by users. The new reverbs and other time based FX seem to stack up well with the best plugins out there. People really seem to love the Saturation plugin too. Outside of this post, I don’t really remember anyone complaining about the vocal tuning plugin. I would say the Vocal plugins can sound as good as any of other alternatives out there.
That being said, vocal tuning isn’t really a “plug and play” FX like some of the others. It really takes time to dial in the FX for each singer. People’s results are generally a direct reflection of how well they understand and can dial in the plugin. However that is the same with ANY vocal tuning plugin. It’s easy to make a vocal tuning plugin sound bad, but usually the plugin isn’t really to blame.
You are clearly paying a premium to have all of these FX “in the box”. You can certainly use external alternatives if you want to go down that route. They might even be cheaper overall. They would certainly be more flexible (ie have more plugin options). However there is value to having everything “in the box” and it certainly makes for a more simple system overall.
I never blamed the quality of any FX. I was just asking for some tips and tricks to make the overall sound better, because I was thinking I must be doing something wrong.
I have now routed the reverb the same path to the main as my vocal. (first to the vocal group and then to main) It seems to be better, but I would like to have some confirmation from other SQ+ users or even the A&H team for there view on this topic.