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Originally posted by PeterMI am hoping they have also tidied up the scene management a little, and maybe added pop DCA function?
Peter
Those 2 thing are way more needed than all new 1.9 things we’ve seen so far together, so PLEASE A&H include them.
Another Peter
Looks very exciting!
I do hope they have given the editor software som midi-attention too!
Even so,
Scenes = most vital necessary improvement needed.
IDR32
Dante card
Macbook pro 17
Ipad2 + mixpad
Aiport express
Release is planned for October as i have heard.
And dear Peters. Its YOUR opinion that scene management is the most necessery point to be improved.
I use scenes also and its ok for me so far.
Looking forward to the dynamic eq and an pitcher… (hopefully it makes it into final)
I just programmed a 158 scene theater show today followed by a try out show. I love it! No problems with the scene management so far… But i would love a multiband compressor and insertable eq’s. Too bad my tour starts tommorow, i never update during tours. Everything looks great on the liveblog, i can’ t wait
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Originally posted by GijsbertI just programmed a 158 scene theater show today followed by a try out show. I love it! No problems with the scene management so far… But i would love a multiband compressor and insertable eq’s. Too bad my tour starts tommorow, i never update during tours. Everything looks great on the liveblog, i can’ t wait
I didn’t say that the scene management didn’t work, I said it needed to be tidied up a little – the perception in the market place is that others desks/manufacturers have better scene management. I think it works, but the default settings and what you need to do to get it work quickly can be clumsy.
I know a lot of people that don’t like the iLive, but love the GLD. They are almost identical to use; it’s just that little bit of extra refinement that makes all the difference - its appearance, feel, and the user interface is just a little better.
I think the situation with the scene management is similar, it just needs to be a little better.
Peter
Back to the original topic of this thread, the new v1.9 stuff looks great. We have Width on Stereo channels - Yay.
I wasn’t so worried about the multiband compression but having been recently frustrated by the pronounced mid range projection of our senior pastor, I am looking forward to this too.
Did I see different types of GEQ ? That sounds really exciting.
Thank you for giving us new toys to play with 
on the tangent I seem to have caused, thanks so much for the scene management links and suggestions, I look forward to working this through in our situation.
Dnx
Duncan Whitcombe
@Dnxmirrorsounds
Mirror Sounds & metrochurch
Perth, Australia
T112, iDR48x2
www.mirrorsounds.com.au
www.metrochurch.org.au
The only thing I don’t like about v1.9 is that I’m going to have to change the DSP as the modular brain racks are not fast enough to run it! Roll on iLive 2…
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Just remember kids no matter how good your mixing is you can’t polish a turd…
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Originally posted by Rexeltw…I’m going to have to change the DSP as the modular brain racks are not fast enough to run it! …
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>Hey, look at it from the bright side: you’ll end up with a new faster mixer!
I’m really looking forward to the release of 1.9. If it’s the same quality shift that we experienced with the new mixpad app, then I’ll be even more happy!
Hoping that we also get that improved scene management though
Wouter
IDR32, R72, Dante, Mixpad
laptop, TP-Link TL-WR1043ND</font id=“size1”></font id=“navy”>
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Originally posted by RexeltwThe only thing I don’t like about v1.9 is that I’m going to have to change the DSP as the modular brain racks are not fast enough to run it! Roll on iLive 2…
Just remember kids no matter how good your mixing is you can’t polish a turd…
WHAT THE F#*K… youre joking … 1.9 won’t work with a “real” iLive and IDR 10 rack ?
Peter
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Originally posted by RexeltwThe only thing I don’t like about v1.9 is that I’m going to have to change the DSP as the modular brain racks are not fast enough to run it! Roll on iLive 2…
You can’t be serious???
Those of us who spent the extra money on iLive modular, now have to spend more to get firmware that T series can directly install?
Is this info from A&H and confirmed?
I will be far from impressed if this is the case.
Darren
The T series were a few years later developed after the IDR10.
they chose to use a faster board.
We always want more and more features on the existing hardware. (multiband comp uses more processing than a simple comp i suppose)
So it is only logical that the early boards will run out of gas.
You can compare it to windows/osx. New versions need more processing/memory. If you want to upgrade from W95 to windows 8 you will need a newer PC.So either you stick with V1.8 or you buy the new hardware. V1.9 is not a maintenance release but a feature upgrade. (and a free one).
disclaimer : not yet confirmed that you need a newer board for V1.9 for the early ilve series
Lieven
T112/IDR48/R72/IDR16/xDR16/2ACEcards/IPad1
Save a tree, eat a beaver
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Originally posted by Lieven DewispelaereThe T series were a few years later developed after the IDR10.
they chose to use a faster board.
We always want more and more features on the existing hardware. (multiband comp uses more processing than a simple comp i suppose)
So it is only logical that the early boards will run out of gas.
You can compare it to windows/osx. New versions need more processing/memory. If you want to upgrade from W95 to windows 2008 you will need a newer PC.So either you stick with V1.8 or you buy the new hardware. V1.9 is not a maintenance release but a feature upgrade. (and a free one).
disclaimer : not yet confirmed that you need a newer board for V1.9 for the early ilve series
Lieven
T112/IDR48/R72/IDR16/xDR16/2ACEcards/IPad1
Save a tree, eat a beaver
The issue for me is that I need a professional level desk, I need mic pre’s and XLRs on the surface.
The ilive T doesn’t really cut it.
I was hoping to get a couple more years out of my iLives and that the software upgrade would help by giving me a couple of things I need. It has been an uphill battle for the last few years, but out of brand loyalty I have stayed with AH.
I must also say that the MI rather than professional approach to the release of 1.9 is also a worry. We don’t know except for a few twitter teasers exactly what’s coming. That’s not the type of world my business needs to live in.
I guess this, and what else is implied, makes my decision easy. If I need a new rack it would be better for me to cut my losses and get something else that has more rider acceptance.
Peter
I agree, a little frustrating that A&H previewed it at PLASA, yet I can not find any official list of changes. Just a few blog entries.
How about it A&H, can we get a list? Even if there is a subject to change warning.
T112, iDR48, M-DANTE, PL10, MixPad, Editor
MacBook Pro, Mac Mini
Lion/Logic Pro
All latest versions/firmware
I’ve had it unofficially confirmed (if that makes sense) that this is the case and that A&H will be supplying the replacement DSP’s for the iDR-10 & iDR-0 at a reduced rate.
FYI this isn’t the first time hardware limitations have cropped up during firmware updates. IIRC 1.6 wouldn’t run on the original production run of the modular surface as the 1gHZ processor on the SBC run out of steam!
Eventually we all get a bit old and need upgrading…
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Just remember kids no matter how good your mixing is you can’t polish a turd…
Hi Guys,
I have to disagree pretty strongly with you all on the IDR10 upgrade requirement.
I pre-ordered an IDR10 and iLive 112 a good 3 or 4 months before they were anything more than ‘brochureware’. I recognised back then that what A&H was doing was pretty special and unlike anything else that anyone else in the market was doing. That remains the case today.
The reason I bought the modular series is ironically the exact reason why you are all complaining. Because I knew the day would come when the software would outstrip the hardware’s capabilities.
I also have T-Series, but I know that when the T-Series runs out of steam, A&H will have no choice but to bring out a whole new product and I will be forced to replace it.
My IDR10 has had many upgrades since I first received it, all of them a fraction of the cost of replacing the hardware completely. The first DSP was only capable of 2 simultaneous FX, I upgraded mine a few months later to the 8 FX module for a modest cost.
Next came Ethersound to ACE, I was able to swap out the whole module in the rack and upgrade to ACE. I was pretty pleased about that.
Then came the SBC in the surface, this was a bit more complicated and far from a direct swapout, but it was possible and a welcome relief.
If you want rider acceptance, buy a PM5, but tell me, how many DSP module upgrades have there been for the PM5. Then tell me how many different revisions of the PM5 there have been over the years that have required a full upgrade of the entire system in order to take advantage of them.
1.9 is a classic example of this all over again, I’ll happily hand over my money to A&H to receive a new DSP that is capable of these new features. Safe in the knowing that my entire system has not been made completely obsolete because of all of the user requests on this very forum for features that A&H could never had anticipated when the product was first developed.
The iPad wasn’t even a product back then.
I have had my iLive for well over 3 years now (I can’t remember exactly but its probably closer to 5). The fact that it is still able to run the latest software and features in an era where your phone is obsolete after 12 months is a testament to A&H’s vision.
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Originally posted by millstHi Guys,
I have to disagree pretty strongly with you all on the IDR10 upgrade requirement.
I pre-ordered an IDR10 and iLive 112 a good 3 or 4 months before they were anything more than ‘brochureware’. I recognised back then that what A&H was doing was pretty special and unlike anything else that anyone else in the market was doing. That remains the case today.
The reason I bought the modular series is ironically the exact reason why you are all complaining. Because I knew the day would come when the software would outstrip the hardware’s capabilities.
I also have T-Series, but I know that when the T-Series runs out of steam, A&H will have no choice but to bring out a whole new product and I will be forced to replace it.
My IDR10 has had many upgrades since I first received it, all of them a fraction of the cost of replacing the hardware completely. The first DSP was only capable of 2 simultaneous FX, I upgraded mine a few months later to the 8 FX module for a modest cost.
Next came Ethersound to ACE, I was able to swap out the whole module in the rack and upgrade to ACE. I was pretty pleased about that.
Then came the SBC in the surface, this was a bit more complicated and far from a direct swapout, but it was possible and a welcome relief.
If you want rider acceptance, buy a PM5, but tell me, how many DSP module upgrades have there been for the PM5. Then tell me how many different revisions of the PM5 there have been over the years that have required a full upgrade of the entire system in order to take advantage of them.
1.9 is a classic example of this all over again, I’ll happily hand over my money to A&H to receive a new DSP that is capable of these new features. Safe in the knowing that my entire system has not been made completely obsolete because of all of the user requests on this very forum for features that A&H could never had anticipated when the product was first developed.
The iPad wasn’t even a product back then.
I have had my iLive for well over 3 years now (I can’t remember exactly but its probably closer to 5). The fact that it is still able to run the latest software and features in an era where your phone is obsolete after 12 months is a testament to A&H’s vision.
Couldn’t agree more.
I might also add A&H modular series are real modular systems, unlike crippled YDGA cards, or the SC48 approach
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Originally posted by RexeltwI’ve had it unofficially confirmed (if that makes sense) that this is the case and that A&H will be supplying the replacement DSP’s for the iDR-10 & iDR-0 at a reduced rate.
FYI this isn’t the first time hardware limitations have cropped up during firmware updates. IIRC 1.6 wouldn’t run on the original production run of the modular surface as the 1gHZ processor on the SBC run out of steam!
Eventually we all get a bit old and need upgrading…
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Just remember kids no matter how good your mixing is you can’t polish a turd…
The problem for me is that my customers are looking for what they perceive as a better desk than an iLive.
To keep them happy I need my iLive-s to do a few more tricks. It’s been that way for the last 2 or 3 years.
For me it is becoming critical, and I am still very much in the dark other than your post, (thankyou). It now seems 1.9 may not work with their “top of the range” iDr10.
We still don’t officially know (and its been quite some time) -
What 1.9 will do?
When it will be released?
Will it work with an iDr10 or for that matter an iLive surface?
If it will not work with the iDr 10, will a CPU upgrade be available?
If an upgrade is coming, when?
How much will it cost?
What future upgrades will it support?
Will 1.9 work on an iLive (not iLiveT) with a iDR 48?
This type of information makes business planning much easier, but it seems that A&H are now more and more focused on the MI market and MI sales strategies.
I don’t have a problem with that, it’s a difficult market for them, but I need to carefully consider what I need in my hire inventory and at what point do I stop wasting time and spending money up grading – …1.9, AES cards, Dante, Rab2’s, 1.5 G SBC, new CPUs etc.
I can now buy two Midas Pro 2’s for the cost my iLive 144 and iDr10!
Peter
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Originally posted by PeterMI can now buy two Midas Pro 2’s for the cost my iLive 144 and iDr10!
Peter
If the implication here is that the Pro2 is anywhere near a professional digital console I’m going to have to ask you to go read any real-world review of it.
The Pro2 is GLD quality at best.
What I would say is, for the price of your iLive, you could have had a Venue Profile. Sort of. Without AES, without remote I/O, etc.
I totally understand the position you are in, and I do sympathize. I too wish A&H released more info, but that’s only because of the teasers that are out now. Remember, half of the functionality of the Yamaha CL is ‘forthcoming with a software release’
iDR-48, T-112, Mixpad
College
Just a quick question:
Does ANY of the other manufacturers of audio desks announce an Firmware udpdate with feature list and so on weeks before its published?
NO.
So why you are complaining about that?
We will know exactly whats in there when it arrives.
Release is planned for October as i was told.
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Originally posted by tk2kquote:
Originally posted by PeterMI can now buy two Midas Pro 2’s for the cost my iLive 144 and iDr10!
Peter
If the implication here is that the Pro2 is anywhere near a professional digital console I’m going to have to ask you to go read any real-world review of it.
The Pro2 is GLD quality at best.
I think you may be a little confused here. Are you perhaps thinking of the X32 instead of the Midas Pro2?
Darren