Best setup for theater

I’m trying to set up my SQ7 so that I am getting the best sound for my theater kids. Usually have around 25 microphones. I work in a school so we don’t use the SQ7 very often. I want to set up the SQ7 so that I am getting the best signal and best control however I can’t seem to have both things. My hope is that I can set up the SQ7 so that the output volume is balanced, all the faders are at unity so this way I have the best resolution and fine control and the signal coming in is around -18 so this way I have a quality signal. I am thinking I need to route the main layer where the channels are to possibly a group or an auxiliary mix.

When I set the signal to -18 on the gain, sometimes I need to bring the faders down so that the output volume is good. Same thing with the Main LR. I try to keep that at unity also. When I tried to send it to a group the group faders mirror the main layer faders which is not what I want. Then I was thinking maybe I should route it to an auxiliary mix and have the auxiliary mix go to the mains and deselect the channels from the main LR however everything I read says the auxiliary mix is for monitors.

When I look up videos on how to better use groups everyone uses groups to combine different things such as drums or a group of singers so this way I can manipulate them with one fader as well as tweak EQ. This is not what I want to use the group for I want individual control of all of the voices but I want all of the faders at unity. Basically set up the signal on layer A along with adjusting the faders so that the output volume is good and balanced and then on layer B have all of my faders at unity controlling the volume of the coinciding channels on layer A.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

You should take a look at TheatreMIx
Might be of use to you.

It sounds like you are wanting to use an AUX rather than a GRP. From a channel strip to a GRP is effectively a switch. From a channel strip to an AUX is a potentiometer.

It sounds like you would need to setup the AUX for post fade operation. In this configuration, adjusting the channel strip fader or the input to the AUX mix will both adjust the signal level at the output of the AUX channel.

If this is what you want from your system go with it! An AUX would normally be used for a foldback wedge, but this would also be configured for pre-fade - so the foldback mix is independent of the main mix. However, this will not be what you actually want! Just because a book says something, doesn’t mean you can’t use it as you want!

You then route the output from the AUX to the amplifier/speakers and unroute the channel strips from the mains. Or leave the mains and just don’t connect them to anything. Also, in this mode, the main L/R fader will be inoperative.

Look at the block diagram for the SQ desk to see what signal path options are available and what are not.

Dave

I second the suggestion of using TheatreMix, but I think you are a way from adding that to your setup.

The first thing you need is a better understanding of gain structure in order to get the SQ doing what you want it to do.

If your desire is to have all of the channel faders at unity as your base, setting all of the input gains to -18 is not going to get you there. As you’ve already discovered, every input source is going to reach the desk at a different level, and the gain control is the first* step in bringing everything together. You need to adjust gain for each channel to bring the signal up (or down) to the level you want. Normally, this would be a few decibels below 0 on the meter most of the time, and a few dB above it on the loudest peaks. In general, microphone signals will be low, and need to be raised quite a bit. Instruments coming in through a DI, including direct XLR outs from an amplifier, will be significantly hotter and some, especially keyboards, may need to have the input gain lowered. This will get you to a decent baseline, but you still have to actively mix the show. It will also give you a good starting point for anything you send to an AUX.

  • Sometimes the first step is to have the musician reduce their signal level to you in order to give you control over the mix.

Once you have the incoming gains set, and your output masters at unity, you need to set the amplifier gains so the loudspeakers produce the level of sound you need in the room, and at any AUX destinations.

A few words about auxiliary (AUX) mixes. Ignore what you have read. Yes, they are used for “monitors”, especially in live music, but that is not their only use. An AUX is a signal created from the input sources that is sent somewhere other than the main speakers. An AUX can contain all of the sources, or only some of them. They can be set up as PRE-fade, where the signal is created before the channel output fader so changes to the LR mix don’t affect the AUX, or POST-fade, where raising or lowering a channel in the mains will also do it in the AUX mix. In theater AUXes are typically used to create program feeds to go to different offstage areas, assisted listening systems, recording, etc, as well as monitors for pit musicians. All of these will be POST-fade except the monitors, and even those aren’t always PRE-fade. Whether they are PRE or POST, the level of each channel going to an AUX can be set individually.

Groups (GRP) are used to control multiple channels with a single fader. When you assign a channel to a group you normally remove it from the main LR mix, and send the GRP there. All of the assigned channels will have their level raised or lowered the same amount whenever you adjust the GRP fader. GRPs have processing, and insert busses, making them very useful for applying the same EQ/Compression/Gate/etc. to a bunch of channels. When doing corporate audio on small analog mixers, my practice was to assign all of the lav mics to a group and then run that through an inserted EQ – not as good as a full parametric on each channel but better than nothing.

This gives you your basic setup with all of your faders beginning at unity. No matter how well you get this dialed in, you will still have to change the mix during the show because someone will be playing or singing louder or quieter then normal. Or a mic gets moved in the pit and no one puts it back.

You may also have to adjust the level of an entire mix, and the easiest way to do that is with its master fader, since most of the time the amps aren’t going to be accessible.

25 microphones (certainly a mix of fixed installations and wireless) is obviously right a lot for a (children’s) theater.
Are you sure that’s even necessary?
Is this your idea, or did someone recommend it to you?
Many microphones don’t always help much.
Sometimes a few cleverly positioned spot microphones are enough.
And if children are to learn acting, conscious use of their voices is of course part of it.
But I don’t want to lecture you.

Perhaps it’s also more of a musical with musicians?
Or is it perhaps planned for an open-air performance?
I just think you should definitely involve someone with expertise in setting up this project!

In addition to what has already been written:
Don’t forget to use scenes – ideal for the individual scenes of your play.
And if necessary, also look into the possibilities of using AMM.

I have played around with theater mix in the past maybe I will look into that again. I needed to switch a bunch of kids around with different microphone numbers and had difficulty with that.

Thank you so much Dave. I will have to find that block diagram and see what my options are. There is so much to learn on the SQ. I appreciate your response.

You are exactly right opus, I need a better understanding of gain structure. Thank you for explaining auxiliary. That clears some things up for me. This is basically how I have been using auxiliary mix. I have just been using them for monitor wedges and for behind stage so that the
kids know what’s happening in the play.

You make a good point when you say you will still have to adjust the faders throughout the show. I am not looking for a simple fix I understand that things will need to be adjusted as they performance is going on but I just want my initial setup to be the best that it can be. I do not do this very often so I really appreciate your guidance.

Thank you for getting back to me SQ user. Not my idea :joy::joy:. I have tried to use scenes in the past but I end up screwing up things. Sometimes settings would change sometimes the gain would be different or the fader would be at a different point or a monitor mix would be unassigned it was either one thing or a bunch of things so I have pretty much stayed away from that. I need to get a better understanding of global filters and other things like that before I start messing around with scenes. I currently use scenes to save my rehearsal and for each show. I am a huge fan of AMM. It is a lifesaver when they are speaking. Very helpful feature. Thank you again for responding to my post much appreciated.

A really meaningful use of scenes for such a theater project is actually only possible from firmware version 1.6 onwards with the introduction of the Cue List.

In your case, it would really be better to save scenes as scenes and shows as shows. )

The block diagram is available from the A&H website dowload (resources) area, “SQ-7 Tech Datasheet”.

This is THE most important document to understanding of the available signal paths.

Note that this document is for firmware version 1.5.

If you go into the SQ-Rack area, you will find that A&H have a firmware version 1.6 document available (not that there is too much different).

Dave