C1500 + dante - CDM32 + waves - clock issues dante side + lake

dLive dLive Troubleshooting
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Hi,

I’m a owner of a dLive C1500 + Waves card + Dante Card and I created a network setup, but I’m afraid I’m doing something wrong.

My current setup is:

dLive C1500 + Dante card in I/O Slot
CDM32 + Waves Card in I/O SLOT

I created a network bridge with the waves card to the ethernet port on the CDM32 so I can get UI access to the waves server from my C1500 ethernet port. The waves server runs on 192.168.4.x/24

My dante card is fitted in my C1500. I’m running the switched mode on the dante card with the network bridge on. As I need it to connect my computers / mac mini’s to the dante network for automation and midi purposes.

From the primary port it goes to my netgear waves and dante supported network switch. I’m currently on the road and I don’t have the model/series with me.

The switch distributes dante network to

  • my Labgruppen lake LM44 running on 192.168.1.110/24.
  • MacMini 1 that has 2 ethernet ports:
    NIC1: on board ethernet port for Waves (straight from the switched line of my dLive) 192.168.4.120/24
    NIC2: ethernet to USB-C adapter (Apple ethernet adapter) receiving the dante line from the switch. 192.168.1.120/24
  • MacMini 2 that only receives dante on 192.168.1.130/24

So this is my setup. I you have any questions about my setup, please do not hesitate to ask!

So there are a few problems:

First and biggest problem for me is that the dante clock is not stable when the waves is connected but for all devices in my dante network. I tried running a netgear managed switch but it made it actually worse.

So the clock is green, everything is connected, I can see all devices and after 20 seconds, it will loose clock.

Second issue, if my Lake is not the leader clock, then it will start having a fight on the network for the lake wanting to have the lead clock. But I turned dante discovery and all dante settings off.

For me, I segmented the network so it shouldn’t be a problem.

The only thing I can think of is the network bridge that is on, and that the dante and waves are actually getting combined. But I thought it wouldn’t be a problem because dante / waves are communication on different xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:port ports for their calls to the server / devices but I might be wrong.

Anyone else experienced this issue?

Thank you so much for your help. Have an amazing week.

Kind regards

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The tunneled traffic over gigaACE is very limited. Yes by both network bridge being on you are bridging those networks. Yes they have different IP space but you just made them the same broadcast domain which will still affect things.

Id turn the network bridge off on waves and use either two separate interfaces on your computer or an 802 1q trunk to the computer, with Dante and waves being separate interfaces

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Hi Chris,

Thanks for thinking along!
I was already afraid it is the bridge that is creating the issue.

So I have a CDM+C1500. So if I want to use superrack in FOH I will need a second CAT line? But if I want to use midi automation or scene automation, it will need to have that network bridge up?

Same for my macmini’s that run on dante and I want them to send midi to my console,… it needs to be in the network of the dLive.

Any tips how to set this up?

Thank you again!

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So in that case it might be easier to keep the bridge for the waves card and disable it on the Dante card.

You can still send both networks to the mac but youll need two nics or a trunk. If you get a nic search Dante Users Group on FB for supported nics, IIRC the belkin one is reccomended

No way around two cat cables Im afraid unless you add switches and tunnel gigaACE but thats non trivial

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It is true, a DM0 is another option. But for now 2 cat cables it is! Thanks for the help.