Crazy Layer Issues (Layer C)

So… I was mixing our church’s sunday broadcast mix today for the first time with our new SQ6. We did a reheasal run through last wednesday and had no issues at all. Today, as I pressed the layer C button that has several mix bus masters on it, nothing happened. The light didn’t even light up. So, I pressed it several times just to see if maybe the button was stuck or something. No Dice!!! Nothing! UNTIL several minutes later when it kciked in and automatically swithed while I was mixing on another layer. As I switched back to the layer I was mixing, the board switched back to C again automatically. It did this for every time I pressed the C layer ealier with no reaction. It acted as though the software was getting the command but delaying the instruction. Anyone else have this issue? I have the Latest firmware and also did a restart and power cycle. Nothing changed.

what is connected? Wifi?

Ryan Jenkins posted earlier with exactly the same issue of an unresponsive layer C button.

https://community.allen-heath.com/forums/topic/lost-layer-c

I’ve seen the delayed response behaviour years ago on a GLD. The control surface stopped responding to any buttons, then after about 20 seconds it rapidly executed all the commands it had been given while frozen.

Chris

Wifi is connected, I am only using the iPad app for additional metering. I am refereing to the desk itself not responding to the layer C button push.

Allen & Heath told me to do firmware re-install of v1.1 and then do a hard reset. That is next on my list.

UPDATE: That did not work. Re-installed firmware v1.1 and did a hard reset. NO DICE! Still no layer C except when the console wants me to have it.

UPDATE #2. I re-downloaded the firmware to a new USB drive and installed it from there, then did the hard reset (this was my instructions from A&H Support). It worked for several minutes, then stopped again. UUUGGGGG!!! I’m ready for that next firmware patch guys!

remove the Wifi… problem still there?

I did try it with the Wifi disconnected once I seen your post but it did not fix the issue. I have access to every other layer but C. Its really strange and Allen & Heath Support has no answers at this time. They said no one else has reported the issue. I infomred them that the forum as a few folks having the same issue. Waiting to hear back from Support.

We did not have WIFI connected at all. THree hours into a four hour show and Layer C was gone!

We also had an issue where there became an link error between the AR2412 and the SQ5. I have never had that happen with any of my GLD consoles!

I’ll have to re-patch the layers for the gigs this week until they fix this issue I guess! This is not fun as I have several scenes for the venue and each has different stuff on the layers so I will be going through all the scenes and editing them. Like I really had time for another 3 hours of unpaid work!

@ryan-loudmusic-jenkins

did you opened a support ticket?

UPDATE #3 After speaking with Allen & Heath support through several different tickets, they have adivced me to send my board back and swap it out for a new one. They think that it has something to do with hardware. So, we’ll play the shipping game and hope I’m not down for very long. I did speak with Keith at A&H and he said they are watching the forum for others with the same issue. It seems very isolated.

Problem solved! I was sent a replacement console this week and the layer C button on it works perfectly! B&H in New York went above and beyond to help get my replacement to me in advance. These guys are awesome at what they do.

I am always very impressed with B&H support.
It is so sad to read these horror stories of consoles just not working properly.
In the digital age, I am probably no different than anyone else, we tend to think it is always “software” related when in fact … gosh,
there are still buttons and switches and faders on these things :slight_smile:

buttons and switches and faders OH MY!

Maybe only slightly related but I’ve lost my scene button. In the same way as descibed about the Layer C button, except that I havent been patient enough to wait and see if the SQ lets me have it after a while. But the fact that I have a softkey to store current scene, that also isnt working makes me think the entire scene program is not working.

Anyone else?