QuSB desk. Issue is a few times when we have to plug in to the venues in-house PA we had trouble. Not always though.
This week Sound check seemed to be ok. But after that lost sound. We have electric drum and they were sounding tinny and reverb. There have been other venues where we have problems plugging in. If there is a good engineer it seem to be ok.
My question is - is there something we need to do with the desk to make it compatible?
Is there something on th in house desk that requires adjusting. Could it be competing impedance ? Thank you
It seems impossible to answer your questions in a forum from afar, but rest assured that your console is “compatible” with handling the sound reinforcement of a small band.
You can also tell by this fact:
So my most important advice would be: Invest in a good sound engineer at least once and have him adjust your setup for a standard event with a standard sound system.
In general, no further sound processing or similar should be performed on your main signals on this PA.
(How you handle your monitoring is unclear.)
In any case, save this standard show and try to use it as a basis next time, adjusting it only slightly if necessary.
If your adjustment isn’t right the next time after that again, you might be better off going back to the good sound engineer’s standard show.
Thank you - We use in ear monitors as we have a click track and it will go out front, I think if we use monitors? Or at least in one venue he could not silence the click track
In-ear is obviously a big advantage, as it allows you to use your usual monitoring system.
If you can’t hear a click track when using your own sound system, you’ve obviously connected the third-party system to the wrong outputs of your QU..
And the third-party technician isn’t responsible for that, of course.
In the simplest case, the main fader of the click track channel was accidentally opened.
Thank you, one of the issues is that the clikc track is goign out front when it shouldnt be - the engineer could not resolve it - is it not just a case of taking the XLR out the speaker output and instead of plugging in to our PA we plug in to theirs and thats where the problem is - or is there another output we should use for these situations ? Thank you very much
As I said: The third-party technican isn’t responsible for your mixer but expects you to provide him with a Main LR without KlickTrack.
And like he probably is, I’m wondering why you don’t use the same Main LR output as for your own sound system.
In my opinion, that would be the “normal case,” and there wouldn’t be any problem with the obviously incorrect mix, which is possibly also the reason everything sounds strange.
So what’s the point of using a different mix or output?
Thank you thats the point we did - I’m wondering why you don’t use the same Main LR output as for your own sound system. We did that exactly - it was odd the sound check didnt have thiose issues - DO we need to take ALL the effects off tehe mix such as reverb - sorry for all the questions.
What’s your pickoff-point for the IEM’s ? If it’s after the channelstrip’s gate, eq, compressor etc any change you make there to optimize your IEM sound also goes to FOH.
Then you probably accidentally changed something after the sound check, e.g., opened the fader for your click track channel in the main LR, because otherwise it wouldn’t be audible in the Main LR.
No. Leave everything as you would if you were using your own sound system.
You still need your effects in the third-party sound system - just not a click track.
I’m starting to suspect that you wanted to make changes in one or more of the IEM mixes, but accidentally made them in the main LR, ruining the mix.
A possibility we made a mistake - but there was no sound from one of the mics at all and we are not exactly sure what was actually going out front - it was nothing like the sound check
I have no idea who controls your QU, but only this person (f/m) is solely responsible if a mic is suddenly missing in the sended Main LR mix.
The venue’s technician has no control over this.
Taking the main mix outputs from one mixer your QU SB in this case to the the inputs on the house mixer will work fine.
Things to keep in mind……the output of the SB is line level sto the input trim will need to turned down and or the PAD on the channel turned on, some mixers alos have a 1/4 inch line level input for each channel as well or some dedicated “aux” 1/4 inch line inputs. There could be hum introduced by connecting the mixer, a pin 1 lift on the xlr cable could take care that or you may need an isolation transformer.
The house mixers input channel should be set flat, with no effects.
You said it sounded thin, that could be from somewhere in the signal path one channel having the polarity inverted, bad cable, one of the house mixers channels has the polarity button pushed in, that would only be noticed if you were using both L & R mix outs to the house mixer.
A bad mic cable that has either pin 2 or 3 open will cause lower level and thin sound.
If the house tech does not understand any of the above good luck!!!
As for any changes to the mix that would be all happening at your mixer.
Do you use scenes at all during (or before) the show? If the scene is programmed “wrong” and recalled, it could easily disrupt things and cause issues like you are having. Like SQUser suggests, something changed between soundcheck and the live event. If a scene was recalled between soundcheck and the point at which the problems were noticed, that could be the smoking gun.
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