Hi, we are doing show with DLive at FOH SQ5 as 2nd FOH desk and SQ6 at monitors. We are using 2 DT168 for wireless mics ins and outputs to mains. We have 2 bands with Dlive as FOH. SQ5 is only for speaking mics, sound from video dept. and music. First band uses some wireless. Second one doesn’t. After first soundcheck FOH engineer loaded his show and we lost gains of wireless mics. Also SQ5 cannot control gains of DT preamps.
How does DT preamp control works? Should all consoles be able to change gain settings? Can you lock a console from preamp control? Why is SQ5 not able to access preamp control?
Edit:
I forgot a few details. SQ5 & SQ6 are both v1.6.1. DLive is v2.12. SQ5 works with DT control on other events. All devices are connected through switches. SQ5 is clock leader.
What I’m trying to do is to have Dante connection between all consoles and DTs (to get mics to all consoles, to send audio from both SQ5 & DLive to sound system, to send audio between consoles etc.). That’s working correctly.
What I do not understand is the preamp control. Right now only SQ6 & DLive is able to control preamps. And when i change show on DLive, gains on DTs change as well (even though on this show wireless mics aren’t patched in DLive). Imagine someone on the stage is talking to wireless mic, thru SQ5 and someone changes show on DLive and I preamp go from +6 to +27dB
What i would like to have is ability to make only SQ6 or maybe both SQ5 & SQ6 control gains. And somehow block DLive from preamp control. Or maybe just to understand whats happening
I see a potential problem with how everything is connected.
The diagram shows both the DM64 and the S5000 plugged into the network which is generally a bad idea. If both systems have a Dante card it may or may not be OK. If both of the Dante cards are set up to use the “internal bridge”, you most certainly are going to have problems. If they are not both set up for internal bridge mode, you are OK to connect things this way.
PS - it is a potential problem because the GigaAce connection (the blue connection in your diagram) handles ALL data transfer between the DM64 and S5000 devices including network data. When you connect both the Mixrack and Surface to the same data network and connect them together using the GigaAce connection, you create a network loop that can bring down the entire network. If the Dante cards are set up for internal bridge, then this is exactly what you are doing. At best you will experience weird and seemingly random network issues (which it sounds like you are experiencing). Worse case scenario is that it can bring down the entire network which can happen if the network switch doesn’t have the spanning tree setting set correctly.
As mentioned before, any console having patched DT168 inputs in Dante Controller, it will have preamp control.
Have you tried to patch the DT168 inputs only to one of the consoles (eg. SQ-6 at monitors),
and set up tie lines (or direct outs) from there, back to the Dante network?
Patch the tie lines from SQ-6 into your other consoles’ input channels like before (but coming from SQ-6, not the DT168’s).
That way your other consoles will get the signal, but they will not be able to access preamp control.
On the receiving consoles you can still use digital trim.
As Brian mentioned, network topology or control bridge settings might be a problem. Also, if you use the Dante secondary ports, make sure that the DT168’s and cards in the consoles have identical settings for primary/secondary:
“Bridge” or “Switch” mode (not to be confused with Control Bridge) vs. “Redundancy mode” (=Primary/Secondary).
Or have you maybe connected the secondary Dante network to the same switches?
