Groups don't work on Aux Mixes?

Scenario - want to route drum & bass channels to a group ONLY only an aux mix (7) to be able to apply group compression only on aux 7. (This is for a livestream)

Routing

Individual drum channels

  1. Main LR - ON.
  2. Aux 7 - OFF.
  3. Group 1 - ON

Group 1

  1. Main LR - OFF.
  2. Aux 7 - ON.

You can’t do this? My matrix’s are used up already.

Select aux 7 that puts the channel faders and group masters in sends on fader mode, bring up the send level on your group 1 master fader.

The group fader is a feed when THAT group isn’t selected, and a master fader when it is. The aux faders are always masters. So, it seems that you can send a group to an aux, but not an aux to an aux.

I know the OP’’s desired routing is available on the Avantis and DLive. However I also know that A&H reduces functionality as you move down the product lineup and I don’t have enough experience on the SQ to know for sure if the desired routing is available on the SQ or not.

Yes, also on a SQ you can route Groups to the Main LR and/or Aux.

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Thank you. However, when I actually do it, it doesn’t work for the aux mix. It only works for the main mix. Maybe I need to update and it’s a bug on my current version.

There might have been such a problem in the original version 1.0, which is over eight years old, but I think it’s probably just due to your settings.

Has this problem existed since you received help seven weeks ago, or is it a recent issue?
Keep in mind that the groups - just like with in the main mix - must also be routed to the aux mixes, and you also need to open the group faders there as well.

Or, to illustrate this more clearly, here’s a group in one image.
Consider a group (of inputs) as a single input.
Then you’ll see that, just like with any other input, in addition to the “normal” fader, you also have for each aux mix an assignable “GRP to AUX” control (see red) that you need to open.

Hey bro, Thanks for helping out.

Here is how I currently have it have setup. I have never been able to get it to work. When it’s setup like this, the volume of the comp channel on the STREAM mix (aux 7) is dependent on the fader level in the main mix. Not what i was going for haha. Just essentially trying to create a drum bus for the stream mix.

I hope I haven’t misunderstood you, and would put it this way:
When you send an input to a group, there isn’t a separate fader, but only the channel fader, which also sends to the Main (see image).

That’s why the dots representing an active group in the routing are always pink = Post Fader.

I understand there isn’t a separate fader. I just don’t understand why the comp channel volume level on the AUX mix isn’t based on the fader level in the aux mix, it’s based on the fader level in the main mix (at least for the routing I am showing here).

Maybe I’m not explaining this well enough, I apologize.

You have switched the routing “Comp → Stream” to Off, therefore the corresponding fader has no effect on this Aux.

You switched the routing “Comp → Grp2” to On, and you said you understand that there isn’t a separate fader, but only the Main Mix fader, which now affects the aux (via the group) because you switched the “Grp2 → Stream” routing to On.

Hey bro. Maybe I’ll ask you how you would do this, since it’s not registering for me :rofl: .

In the MAIN mix, if i wanted to create a drum bus. I would do something like this:

Let’s say Group1 is called DRUM BUS.

Channels:

  1. Snare: MAIN - OFF, Group1 - ON
  2. Kick: MAIN - OFF, Group1 - ON
  3. Hi hat: MAIN - OFF, Group1 - ON

Group1: MAIN - ON.

How would you do that on an aux mix?

Because If i turn the snare, hi hat, kick ON in aux7, AND turn the group ON in aux7. Aren’t the channels going to all be duplicated in aux7?

Thanks bro.

But why AND?

If you’ve created a Group1 (Drums) and want to use it consistently instead of the three instruments, then the individual instruments must not be assigned or opened anywhere else.
Your Group1 is now your single input channel “Drums”.
Its fader must now also be assigned to Aux7, and the fader opened as needed, as described here 9 days ago:

(Note in the image that there’s also a Pre/Post option here, just like with any other input to aux sends.)

If you don’t yet understand the principle or the block diagram, please draw your own and post it here so we can clarify where we’re misunderstanding each other and avoid going on in circles.

I’m coming late to the party here, but I do this in our FOH vs livestream setup. I have the bass guitar input double patched and combined in a group. The group is routed to the aux mix for livestream purposes, such that a single fader for the group controls its volume level within that livestream aux mix. The group is not routed to the main LR (FOH).

So, from my perspective, it is possible and works the way i intended it to. I’ll have to check my settings to see if it matches all the suggestions here.