Hello,
I’m using the QU-16 for our Cover-Band about one year now and I really love it.
But now I need your experiences:
I think of selling the Qu-16 and buying a Qu-Pac.
About 80% of our gigs we have a young technician, who only controls the volumes of every channel during the gig. I has no experience of professional mixing but this is ok for us. So the QU-16 is FOH and we have an analog stagebox and multicore 16/4 which connects stage and FOH.
20% of our gigs we mix by ourselves with the Qu-16 on stage. We do a rough mix and it might be ok.
What do you think of the idea to get a QU-Pac instead of the QU-16 and always put it on stage, no multicore needed. If we got a technician with us, he could control the channels only via IPad in FOH.
Is this reliable? So I think it has several advantages, but what about the disadvantages?
I have 2 IPads by my own. We are all using QU-You to control the IEM and the monitor wedge.
Do you have any experiences with this type of mixing?
Greetings from Germany
Klaus
I have mixed gigs with an iPad (and with two)
It is possible - it’s not got the instant feel of faders though. I am chatting with Davidgiga1993 at the moment about physical faders with the android app he has developed.
I am sorely tempted to get a BCF2000 and an android tablet - then you get a good handful of physical faders, as well as an iPad for on screen stuff.
If I was considering a new setup for a small band then this would probably be my approach.
In your case - do you need to switch boxes? it doesn’t sound like you are out of channels at all - and the remote option works with the QU16 as well as it does with the iPad…
I own both a Qu-16 & a Qu-Pac. I use the iPad a lot, whichever desk I’m on, and find everything to be very reliable.
It is quicker setting up with the “real” desk but, if you’re always using this for the same band, and the monitors are already taken care of by the Qu-You, then I see very few downsides at all.
Maybe you should test it by keeping the Qu-16 on stage and giving your mixer person an iPad for a few gigs to see how it goes.
One tip though, is that if mixing from iPad, it is often worth reserving a space to mix from. I’ve had a couple of seated gigs where I didn’t have a seat and had to stand in a bad position at the back, and a rather raucous rock gig where I was in danger of being knocked over by an excited crowd! I now have a keyboard stand which can become my mix position if needed.
I frequently mix a QU-Pac with 2 iPads. I have no issues with “feel” or latency, but that is often dependent on the quality of the wi-fi signal.
I had to mix on an X32 that was on the side of the stage this past weekend. It had a horrible wi-fi. It was useless to try to use the iPad app when going to FOH just to take a quick listen.
Whenever I mix with iPads, I always make sure that I have some type of desk available. I always have this one here for when there is not one available from the venue.
I like Mark’s suggestion to try to use the QU-16 with the iPads, just to determine if it works for you.
I own a QU16 and a QU-PAC… LOVE BOTH.
We transitioned from the QU16 recently for most of our shows because I mix from the crowd (wearing a mic headset to sing backing vocals) using an iPad.
This meant we could leave the QU-PAD on stage taking up less room than the QU16 and in its rack it’s a little more safe than the QU16 was.
I sometimes choose to take the QU16 when I run sound for other bands but for us, it’s literally set and forget so the QU-PAC works.
As Mark said, it is a little quicker setting up the QU16 but if simply recalling a scene and making some tweaks with an iPad - the QU-PAC has advantages.
To reduce stage clutter I use a keyboard stand (the X variety) and hook the QU 16 over one arm of that - it’s protected by the stand, and can be really quite upright. Makes plugging cables in easy as well, since the ports are well presented…
Hi,
thank you for answers. Very useful for me.
@Bob: We are not out of channels but I think the handling of the QU-Pac on stage is easier than with the QU-16?? Less space etc.
Do you have a picture with the QU-16 over a keyboard stand? I can’t imagine how it looks …
Thanx
Klaus
The QU hooks over the top rail, so it just hangs, mostly upright.
Can’t see a photo particularly easily …
ok, I see.
Thanks.
Is it stable?
In what ways is set up slower? I’m using version firmware 1.71 with a Qu-16 for live sound (folk dances) and I do pretty much all of my setup on the iPAD. What features are available from the Qu-Pac, with out a stage box that are not available on the Qu-16? Is it possible to patch the matrices or groups to the existing mixes? Or is the Qu-Pac pretty much a packable Qu-16 with 32 out and 32 in USB streaming?
Thanks,
Jake
Very stable.
I presume the alt-out’s can be configured as group out’s, but yes the real power is with a stagebox…
Setup should be faster on a physical surface, you just have easier and more tactile access to many more features at a time, so it’s easier to balance things out and make tweaks to eq etc.
I am often in the same hall so I’ve already rung out the room with GEQ at LR and the mixes, which I do tend to do from the iPad. If I’m recording I do the routing from the touch screen on the console, of course. I then mix the recording on the iPad. I use the PEQ on the iPad for the caller and each instrument. I do notice an image latency when I have more than 8 input channels and I swipe to see the other faders. That said I am loathe to give up the security blanket of the control surface but I’d really like the PAC and the smaller form factor an expandibility of the QU-PAC. If others have used the QU-PAC the QU-16 id love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks,
Jake
I suspect the faders are a comfort blanket…
…but last week I did a charity gig, and between plugging everything in and the start of the sound-check the wireless router died.
No idea how/why - no indication of anything wrong, it just doesn’t power up any more.
I did a decent amount of IEM tweaking (usually done over QuYou) and arranged for a spare WAP to arrive in time to be configured for the gig itself…
On the QuPac - I may well have been utterly stuffed.
ok, that’s the point, if the router will die. So I’m also afraid of this and my 2nd point is that the IPad screen is really a little bit small. The IPad pro is very expensive here in Germany. So I think about a cheap Android tablet and the Android app to use. What do you think about that?
We also often play on very small stages, so the Qu-Pac will fit best.
I have so very few drop out issues with my wi-fi set up that it becomes a non issue for me when comparing the QU16 to the QO-PAC. To be honest, I was leaving the QU16 on stage more and more anyway and mixing on my pad.
One other thing to remember is the fact that some of the newer rack style digital mixers are useless without wi-fi but one of the reasons I chose the QU-PAC is because it is fully functioning from the front panel without wi-fi and I can access everything I need pretty quickly from the custom screens I have set up on the Qu-PAC.
Also, I love the way the QU 16 is laid out and workflow ( and of course I am familiar with it) so when it was time to choose a rack mount mixer, it made sense for me to choose the QU-PAC.
Like I said, I love both and take both with me each show. It has just become a bit more convenient for me to use the Qu-PAC these days at live shows. MY QU-16 gets used more at rehearsals and recording sessions.
I take a thumb drive and load all my settings from the PAC to the 16 regularly so I can switch out anytime I want (another good reason for me to have compatible mixers)
@[XAP}Bob No WiFi router is of course our worst nightmare. I spoke to Dominic at American Music & Sound the distributor for A&H in the US, asking about the QU line and the QU-Pac in particular and he strongly recommended using security on the routerfor the following reason. He mentioned that sometimes routers fail when someone spots our network and tries to join it. He said it will most likely simply end our connection with the mixer but that sometimes it will damage the router. A feature suggestion I might make would be some sort of hardwired connectivity to a laptop or a USB adapter to a tablet, in case the router fails. I’d really to make the switch to a rack case like the QU-Pac, but would very much not like to be dead in the water before or during a gig.
@Klaus The difference in footprint between a QU-16 out of the case and a QU-Pac mounted in a rack case isn’t much. I have Gator G-Mix-1921-8-TSA polyethylene case for the QU-16. My biggest challenge is not the space on stage as I use an of stage table most of the time, but the space it takes in my vehicle. To have the QU-Pac onstage would save a step in that I would not need to setup the 3’ foot square table as well as shorten cable runs somewhat.
I made my network invisible which helps-It never shows as an option on folks phones.
BTW- I use a shallow 4 space rack for my QU-PAC which takes up very little space. I have my 10 space rolling iem rack (transmitters, drawer for packs and miscellaneous) on the bottom, my 4 space rack with my wifi pieces for sound and lighting on top of that and my QU-PAC rack on top of that. They all lock in together and I roll the whole thing into the corner on stage where it takes up very little space.
When I use the QU16, I have to use a table for it so just not as neat.
I rarely had problems with the wifi - then it literally ‘just didn’t work’ - no power lights, nothing.
At that point I was glad for the 16, but how likely is it? How much would it ruin your day? How hard is it to carry a spare, ready to go?
I’d like a 1u access point, although ideally it would also sport three LAN connections, in order to trunk dSnake and the control channel over a single gigabit connection down my cat5 ‘multicore’. I’d then buy three - one for each end and one as a spare…
ok, but I plan to sell my analog multicore and stagebox. So the Qu-16 stays on stage. And then, if the router broke down, never mind, if I have a Qu-16 or a Qu-Pac on stage. For that reason, I have a 2nd router with me. Normally I use an apple and cheap TP-Link as a backup. This might do.
My only thoughts are to keep my Qu-16 and put it on stage or to sell it and buy a QU-Pac.
Thank you all for your posts. Very useful.
@debzdoodle: Sounds interesting. I want to go in that direction, if I buy me a QU-Pac. Do you have a picture of your setup?
@Jake: Space in the vehicle is also an important point and I can put my IEM, wireless etc. and the QU-Pac in one rack and keep the cables ready.
Do you have any other advantages of the QU-Pac vs. the QU-16???
Do you have any experiences with android tablets instead of the IPad?