hello everyone,i have both the t-80 &the t-112. i seem to have the same problem with both,if i do a show and then save it as say scene 20 the next time i power up the console the scene is still on the board but in the scrne list its back at scene 1.
This is normal behavior - Because the system will always boot up as it was when shut down - which will most likely include changes made since the last scene you recalled. So it might look like you have scene 20 say on the system but it will actually be scene 20 + any mix changes since the last scene recall. So it isn’t actually scene 20 at all - it is just the last mixer state when shut down. If when you reboot you actually want scene 20 then you will still need to select and recall it.
Hope that helps
Richard
IDR48/T112
I think Delta is saying that if the console is powering up in Scene 20, the Scene Manager should have Scene 20 highlighted as the last-recalled scene.
Same thing for MIDI scene change recalls. If I recall Scene 20 through a MIDI Program Change, the yellow highlight should move to Scene 20 as the last-recalled scene. It doesn’t.
David Schmoldt
Hi Delta
As Stix has said this is how the the scene manager is designed to work. Also if changes are made via Editor this will also effect the system this is why we do not display the last scene recalled after a power cycle of the system.
Hi Dave - I will look into your ideas as a feature request 
In the south toolbar of the touchscreen is displays the next scene to be recalled how about displaying current scene next to this? Would be interesting to here your thoughts?
Regards
Sam A&H
It would be helpful to know the last scene you recalled before shutdown or at anytime. Being that I am getting up in age I always seem to forget where I was…
112T/IDR48
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Originally posted by StealthHi Dave - I will look into your ideas as a feature request
In the south toolbar of the touchscreen is displays the next scene to be recalled how about displaying current scene next to this? Would be interesting to here your thoughts?
It’s not so much just seeing what the current scene is, though that would be nice.
I use the iLive for theatrical/musical uses. So I might have a few hundred cues in a show, and they go by pretty fast at times. When I recall a scene by MIDI (using SFX), there are often times I want to modify the scene slightly and re-update it. Especially during rehearsals. Not having the recalled scene auto-highlight after MIDI recall makes it very possibly I’ll hit UPDATE with the wrong scene highlighted.
If that were fixed, PLUS an option to have the GO button auto-advance to the next scene in the list, I’d be in love with the Scene Manager! Right now it’s more a love/hate relationship.
Hope that made sense.
Dave
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Originally posted by RaySthanks David…but I was talking about you physical setup…i.e. what midi interface etc…how its rigged and how solid is your setup etc…
RayS
I’m using a Firewire Firepod FP-10 8-channel audio interface that also has MIDI ports. Windows 7 on the PC. It’s been rock solid.
Prior to the FirePod I used a MidiSport 2x2 USB MIDI interface on Win XP and Vista (with a Yamaha DM1000 mixer). Had no problems with it, either.
David Schmoldt
dschmoldt! can you elaborate on your setup with sfx? I am prepping a show with Qlab with similar needs to trigger scene changes from within the application…as there is no midi access to the editor I will have to use a midi interface (was hoping to do away with this) and trigger all internally, since both Qlab and Editor are on the same mac…
RayS
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Originally posted by RaySdschmoldt! can you elaborate on your setup with sfx? I am prepping a show with Qlab with similar needs to trigger scene changes from within the application…as there is no midi access to the editor I will have to use a midi interface (was hoping to do away with this) and trigger all internally, since both Qlab and Editor are on the same mac…
Triggering scene recalls with the iLive through MIDI is pretty similar to scene recalls with a Yamaha, Behringer and other digital mixers. They all use the same protocol.
Basically send a MIDI command as a Program Change (C0h), then for MIDI data, send the scene number you want to record mus 1, since MIDI is zero-based.
Example: To recall Scene 5, send a Program Change with a MIDI data of 4.
If you need to recall iLive scenes higher than 128, do the same thing using MIDI bank 2.
David Schmoldt
thanks David…but I was talking about you physical setup…i.e. what midi interface etc…how its rigged and how solid is your setup etc…
RayS
Hi David,
I’d like to keep in touch via this discussion thread on how the scene management should look like in the future. I promised A&H I’d help them with the analysis for a new improved scene management (also for theatre use). So far, I didn’t have enough time to write something decent, but I still hope this will change in the next months.
Hope we can discuss a new vision on scene management here.
Wouter
My prayers have been heard, Dante is coming!
there are some nice features in digico scene management and also on the digidesign venue …maybe a sample of both desks best features would do nicely …for a start, the timed crossfade between scenes and update scope which lets one choose which scenes are changed/updated with the new information and of course… some indication of which scene are we in and a GO button to name a few…
RayS
The major thing I would like to see implemented in the scene change is the ability to simply “insert all” where for instance a change in room EQ or monitor EQ could be quickly and at one time pasted into all the other scenes.
Jonathan Wade
Suburban Legend Audio
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Originally posted by lawbass61The major thing I would like to see implemented in the scene change is the ability to simply “insert all” where for instance a change in room EQ or monitor EQ could be quickly and at one time pasted into all the other scenes.
Jonathan Wade
Suburban Legend Audio
that’s essentially the “update scope” function on digico …instead of an all button you choose the scenes to update with new info …it can be all if you select all or just those that belong to a certain group or just the one scene etc…quite useful…
RayS
I agree with the fact that some sort of multi-update possibility must exist but… the question is also: why put monitor EQ or room EQ in all the scenes in the first place. A&H designed the current scene system with a kind of a setup-scene and a series of track scenes in mind.
That way, monitor EQ, room EQ and things like preamp gain would most of the times only need to be stored in that one global setup scene.
Wouter
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Originally posted by woutertI agree with the fact that some sort of multi-update possibility must exist but… the question is also: why put monitor EQ or room EQ in all the scenes in the first place. A&H designed the current scene system with a kind of a setup-scene and a series of track scenes in mind.
That way, monitor EQ, room EQ and things like preamp gain would most of the times only need to be stored in that one global setup scene.
Wouter
Woutert, I have to disagree with your last statement…in the example used in most theatre settings when one singer is replaced by a sub, for part of a run, that equals different EQ for sure…and therefore should be in all scenes if needed…same with pre amp gain…like I said both digico SD8-9 and digidesign venue/profile have implemented very decent scene management, no need to reinvent the wheel at that level until ILive’s scenes gets there!
RayS
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Originally posted by RayS…in the example used in most theatre settings when one singer is replaced by a sub, for part of a run, that equals different EQ for sure…and therefore should be in all scenes if needed… same with pre amp gain…like I said both digico SD8-9 and digidesign venue/profile have implemented very decent scene management, no need to reinvent the wheel at that level until ILive’s scenes gets there!
I agree that we should not reinvent and an update scope is indeed necessary. What I wanted to say was that so far I’m not completely against the iLive concept of only putting things in a scene “if you really want to change them”. The way that is accomplished is still too complicated however.
In the story with the different casts for theater, in the iLive world this would mean just making a copy of the setup scene and adjusting the EQ and gain for that cast member in that scene and, why not, store it for that specific cast.
But even that isn’t perfect, not in iLive and, as far as I know, although better, also not in Digico scene management.
Scene management should IMO be splitted into mix setup (gains, general EQ, basic moitor mix) and on the other side real scenes. The setup part should ideally offer cast management for musicals so you can just indicate the cast for that night. (Using some kind of stored channel settings for instance)
Both “real” and setup scenes should offer a kind of a variant system and at least some sort of versioning. Just to be clear, I don’t mean that “real” scenes" cannot contain any EQ changes.
Let’s keep on talking about “ideal scene management”. It’s in our interrest that A&H know what we really need
regards,
Wouter
What I am envisioning for scene EQ is that I would like to be able to write the show (which mics are on/off) etc a week or two before starting rehearsals. However, currently I can’t really do that, because the first thing I have to do upon loading into a new venue is to EQ the room/wedges, etc. If I do that, then I have to then go thru each scene that I have written and update the room or wedge EQ’s. This is tedious, and kind of defeats the purpose of pre-writing the show scene by scene into a show.
Jonathan Wade
Suburban Legend Audio
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Originally posted by lawbass61What I am envisioning for scene EQ is that I would like to be able to write the show (which mics are on/off) etc a week or two before starting rehearsals. However, currently I can’t really do that, because the first thing I have to do upon loading into a new venue is to EQ the room/wedges, etc. If I do that, then I have to then go thru each scene that I have written and update the room or wedge EQ’s. This is tedious, and kind of defeats the purpose of pre-writing the show scene by scene into a show.
Jonathan Wade
Suburban Legend Audio
Why not just exclude the room/wedge eq from all of your scenes that way it never gets touched by the scenes? You could either untick it in the save options or safe it so the scenes won’t overwrite it. (Unless I am missing something in what you are wanting to do.)
112T/IDR48/IDR16
I really agree with Kentlowt on this.
Just like Kentlowt says: you should store room and wedge EQ only once in a separate “setup” scene, and indeed exclude EQ from the “real scenes” unless you need it for some dramatic effect.
I generally start with just faders, sends and mutes in the scenes, and I just add what I really want to change in a scene.
regards,
Wouter