This is my first post here, so welcome everyone.
So lately i have started to tour with some band. They use Cymatic U-track24 to run the playbacks, clicks & SMPTE.
U-track happens to have MIDI OUT port and I just wonder if my idea will work.
Long story short, I wanted to implement MIDI track in Utrack, and connect it to my Dlive & my macbook with Reaper.
What I want to achieve?
I want u-track to change my scenes in dlive and also start simulteanious recording and backup tracks to play from Reaper (via DVS & Dante card)
Is it possible to do that using TCP/IP?? U-track have only standard 5pin midi out port, and it happens to be on the stage.
Do I need additional Computer?? or is ther a midi to ethernet converter to connect with control port in CDM??
Sorry if my question is a bit confusing, but I hope someone has an answer for that
Yep BomeBox is the correct interface for that unless you want to just use TCP midi driver over the network, and have reaper spit out the commands that way. Iām pretty positive you could accomplish that with SWS or just build midi triggers in to your tracks. (Say you wanted a panic button or something, SWS might be useful for issuing that kind of command.)
ā¦you donāt technically need the Bome Box if youāre running the TCP driver. I rely on TCP for communications between dLive and Live Professor pretty consistently. Itās been rock solid for me.
One thing that is nice about the Bomebox is the midi translator: If you use that you donāt have to build your specific messages in Reaper, you can use, say a particular note on/off and have āMidi Translator,ā turn that in to a specific dLive command.
I use Osculator to do that for certain circumstances. (In that case changing OSC messages like ā/thingy1/goā to dLive commands, but it also works for straight midi.)
Hello thanks for your answers. I Will check this bomebox for sure.
I Just need the utrack to be my main midi device as this device have onli midi out and I can program the Command in it sp when the drummer Will hit play it will start my shows. Can i do that?
Yes, it should work. You just need to be very specific with the midi messaging.
Issuing scene recall commands should be straight-forward, (program change,) but if you wanted to do, say, a particular fader or send level, (Iām thinking delay swell/feedback moment type programming,) That is a super-specific NRPN message youāll have to program on the uTrack, which might be a bit more complicated. It all depends on how deep you can go with message formatting ON the uTrack.
Thank You for Your answer It gives me more to think. Is it possible to use utrack only as a midi starter for reaper and then reaper will send scene changes to dlive console??
You missed my point. I need Utrack 24 to activate the whole chain as this playback machine have only midi out. So when the drummer hit play on it I need it to send a midi command to Reaper to start, and then reaper should send scene changes to the dlive console.
Steffen Let me be more clear. I just want utrack to start the midi session in reaper. As reaper session is my backup session if utrack fails, I need Reaper ( NOT utrack) to send commands to change scenes in dlive. I am new to midi so this is why I am asking maybe stupid questions
How can i send midi from utrack directly to the reaper if they are 70m away?? The only gateway to do this and not to spend more money on more cables and interfaces, etc is to send it via dlive tcp/IP midi. Plus starting with midi shouldnāt give me a synchronisation?? or the latency would be to big??
Reaper and Liveprofessor will not work with low latency at the same timeā¦
Dante will not work with low latency at all in this setup
to use this for Playback would be no problem but it will not work for insert processing
so it would be better to cancel this
but reverbs could be doableā¦
Can your U-Track send MIDI Time Code?
if yes then you can synchronize u-Track and Reaper
if not there is another possibility
you can record timecode into your U-Track session as audio data on one track (make shure it is not clipping anywhere)
and play it back into your dLive and route it to a Reaper input with a Tie Line
the Tie Line will add around 0,7ms of latency
Reaper can sync automatically to that time code
Iām not shure but in this case it should start automatically when TC(from the u-Track) is started
the time to lock on the TC from the u-Track could be a problem, you just have to test it
Timecode is not a problem as we use it for the lighting guy and itās already implemented in Utrack track nr 8 and iāve already thought about it as a synchronising methodā¦ I am not sure about what utrack can do with Midi unfortunatelly.
I will have to make deeper search about that. If I use utrack only tu start the session in the reaper that should do the trick and then You are right - I donāt need bome box.
Geting back to the live professor and Dante.
if I setup Live professor on another computer will I be able to make latency enough to insert plugins (at least some of them) via Dante card?? or i will be able only to use it for reverbs and Delays?? ( which in my case are 90% what i need )??
Will I be able also to record multitrack simultaneously on another computer via dante?? Or itās just a russion rulette??
Reverb and Delay is save to work in Live Professor
insert processing depends on what latency is tolerable at your task
DVS has a given latency and LP adds a bit as well (and the plugins of course)
I guess it will be more than 10ms
the smalles value I tried was 15ms
and I ended up with about 20ms for save use with reverbs
it is possible to get lower latency with dedicated DANTE Hardware like the Yamaha or Focusrite PCIe Cards or the RME Digiface DANTE
these do not use the DVS, they use dedicated ASIO or Core Audio drivers to realise lowest latency possible
one of the main problems you will have is the loose of the phase coherency of the complete mix since every plugin chain adds latency
so you need to process all channels or add a delay to the channels not processed with plug ins
and this can be a real challenge in a live environment
since most of us agree,
that the internal processing with dynamics and equalisation is very good
and the most needed improvement is better reverb
above problems are not that relevant to the average user
recording and live propfessor at the same time should be no problem if you split it from the playback and not using to much processing in LP
or too many tracks to record
Steffent thank You for this huge explanation. Yes definetly the biggest issue is reverbs, and delays in Dlive. Well Issue is a hard word, but for what this console is it could have better FXes ( that remind me about digicos FXes).
External PCIe Dante cards with box to run it is unfortunatelly out of my budget. But I will check. Still I though that Dlive architecture will compensate to everything that would be inserted on the channels even if this is external processing via Digital link of course. i guss I misread it
thank You all for help. As soon As the Covid ends and I start to work again i will try tu bilt this connection and will let You know how it goes
It gives me more to think. Is it possible to use utrack only as a midi starter for reaper and then reaper will send scene changes to dlive console??