I just got a qu-core 32 and have to set this up for a client. I never had a digital mixer.
I want to setup 2 scenes:
Scene 1)
route 8 inputs to 8 outputs (Speakers) - one to one
On the iPad app I see:
Inputs / Mix / Fx …
On the right side I see Grp 1-2 … Mix1, Mix2, …
It all hilites nicely, but I do not understand the concept of how to route things. Do I need a group? What´s the Mix then? What are the steps to route a channel to a mix/group?
Scene 2)
Route all Inputs to 4 left Speakers and 4 Right Speakers. Add Delay to Speakers that are closer to the Audience.
The manual is almost good for nothing. It´s more a reference guide but does not explain the Concept. Any help would be appreciated.
Completely agree. The documentation is poor, although good for engineers. It falls far short of what is needed.
And there is nothing to give the overview of the big picture so you can easily grok the details when you do read them, and some of those are missing!
They seem to think some random utboob videos are sufficient. They are too slow and you cant easily review the parts you want like something on paper. Nor make notes about things they forget to mention.
Qu-32 | Allen & Heath https://www.allen-heath.com › ahproducts › qu-32
Qu-32 is equipped with 5 high efficiency ARM core processors. … The mixer’s DSP farm exploits next generation dual-core DSPs, giving 10 DSP cores, 8 of which are dedicated to channel and mix processing alone.
I doubt that he means this…
he is talking about the iPad app and not the desk itself
and I disagree to your statement… if you are familiar with mixing
then the workflow on the Qu seriues is pretty simple and easy
and the Quick Start Guide and the Reference Manual cover all available funktions.
Scene 1)
route 8 inputs to 8 outputs (Speakers) – one to one
On the iPad app I see:
Inputs / Mix / Fx ….
On the right side I see Grp 1-2 …. Mix1, Mix2, …..
It all hilites nicely, but I do not understand the concept of how to route things. Do I need a group? What´s the Mix then? What are the steps to route a channel to a mix/group?
can you explain what you mean with “route 8 inputs to 8 outputs”
I am quite familiar with mixing. I am a licensed professional engineer and used to reading technical documents. I have also been a professional writer for one of my jobs.
The Qu documentation is good for engineers, but falls short of what is needed to be proper documentation of that device.
Not everyone else is going to be an engineer nor familiar with mixing. And the documentation omits things as well as fails to provide the overview necessary to understand the device more quickly.
While you can dig most things out if you read it enough and then play with the board that does not make the documentation adequate.
Hmm, reading the manual of a car do not give you the ability to drive it. I am mechanical engineer and one of the first things I have learned in school was to not touch a machine before you know the fundamentals and how to handle it.
If someone is not trained enough in the fundamentals of using a soundsystem including Microphones, Speakers, amps, cabeling and also mixers and the rest of the eqipment the rule of thump is „don‘t touch anything“. I know, in churches there are a lot of so called volunteers and all of them should handle the soundsystem. So, why nobody train that persons in a suitable way. It is not in the responsibility of the manufacturer. It has to be done by the one who is the expert at place. This is at least the approach here in center europe;-)
qu-core is written on the right bottom of the device.
anyhow.
I figured out all the routing. I was not familiar with the concept coming from old analog consoles, so it took me 1 hour, which I found too long. (unpatience)
Some things are a bit hidden.
8 in to 8 out means: route 8 line inputs to 8 line outputs where no 1 in goes to no 1 out. I found out that is best to use the stereo mixes 5-6, 7-8, 9-10, L-R for that.
Since there are enough inputs I can do anything with one scene and setup some qucontrol buttons for the client.
I got a QU-24 and it is a great mixer. I am new to the field and need to understand how to configure DCA groups. I know what a DCA group does but cannot get my head around it. The manual does not clearly explain this . QU-32 has it own DCA group faders and QU-24 does not. Can someone kindly explain me how to do this (with an example If possible). Your help is much appreciated
Thanks in advance
Amal
Of course not. But it makes it easier to drive the car when the manual properly explains the controls and how to use them especially when they interact with other controls.
I agree with those that are saying that the supplied manuals are hard to learn from. The videos help considerably (Thank you, Keith!), but they actually fall short for someone not very familiar with digital mixing.
I would suggest at least a few videos where, while explaining things like “… this is where you set up DCA groups…” you would also see/hear, “… you might use a DCA group for [this scenario]. Here is how you would do that: Start with…” Does that make sense? So instead of just listing all of the features and showing where to find them, you explain how those features might be used, and show an example or two.
I think that would go a long way toward bridging those who volunteer at churches, etc. into getting more comfortable with doing what should and needs to be done on the console.
I would go much higher but I do not find the videos at all useful.
They are too slow , most are poorly done and hard to see what is really happening, and the sound is often terrible too.
I have to be extremely desperate to ever even try a utoob video, and there has to be no other source of info at all.
Not sure that digital mixing is really any different, but digital mixers are certainly a lot different than some analog ones we may have used.
And now for the manual…there is nothing wrong with the manual. I came from years of analog mixer and sound system experience and limited experience on various digital mixers and had no problem taking my QU Pac out of box programming and using it. I did then refer to the manual to clear up a couple detailed questions and I called A&H with a question.
I have said it before, the manual gives you the information having experience allows you
to interpret and use that information.
If you have never really mixed, ran sound or set up a sound system the manual is not going to answer all of your questions nor should it or for that no one manual is ever going to do that.
I agree with Steffen and Mfk0815 on the manuals and manual use.
“I am quite familiar with mixing”…. Questionable…….
“ I am a licensed professional engineer and used to reading technical documents. I have also been a professional writer for one of my jobs” Really again…no one here cares about that other than you.
The AH documentation is poor and I don’t have their number to call like you do.
To be fair to AH : way too much documentation these days is bad or non existent.
But what we have is incomplete and in places obtuse. It should be better even if others are worse.
Sorry but videos are not the answer. Too slow, hard to see, poor sound, and wastes too much time.
Write what is in those videos down and post that text if they do not want to spend the money to print it in a manual.
I do not need help to run sound. I do not want sound questions answered.
Just answers on the Qu and how it works; information to understand how their Qu actually works as it is different from our older analog system.
Setting it up and using it is not an issue.
The issue was first understanding what and how it is really doing things and the limitations it imposes.
This forum has some weird, embedded preview stuff (of the mobile site?) going on… the drop down in the silly preview window has a support link that you can follow (www.allen-heath.com/support) that after ~2 clicks for worldwide distributors will lead to a page like www.allen-heath.com/dist_type/usa/
Also, the slow down you move to fast stuff on this forum is super irritating – editing posts with small corrections doesn’t work because there’s the stop forum spam registration thing that gives an access denied, so the only alternative is posting a second time. Would be nice if A&H upgraded to proper forum software such as XenForo or Discourse like other companies seem to be moving to for support boards.
